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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Islanders are telling us that they need reliability, but we are obviously seeing more cancellations because of the weather. What actions are you taking to mitigate changing weather? We know that stormier weather is coming through climate change and so on. What are you doing to mitigate weather pattern changes and rising sea levels as you procure new vessels and invest in harbour facilities?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

—bearing in mind that you also have the issues that have already gone through in terms of alignment with the UK, and that the UK, also for reasons of trade with the EU, is fairly aligned with the EU in terms of subsidy issues. It will therefore be quite interesting to see how much scope there is even with the UK being outside the EU.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

But what improvements can be made? That is what I am trying to tease out.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I thank the witnesses for joining us this morning. Our inquiry is future facing and will inform the islands connectivity plan that is due. What role did CMAL play in project Neptune? Can you explore the issues that affected CMAL in relation to that project?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I want to explore what might happen. I do not want to put you in a difficult position, but it would be helpful for the committee to understand what the benefits and disbenefits would be if there was a merger between CMAL and CalMac Ferries. That would help us to understand some of the issues with that relationship and what a future relationship might look like.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Okay.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I want to look ahead to what will come next, after project Neptune. There is a variety of strategic thinking on ferry operations, procurement and asset ownership at various points and in different arrangements, and there are different options on the table. How do you know that Transport Scotland is doing its job?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

The witnesses will know that we heard from representatives from Norway. Although Norway is different from Scotland—it is more coastal and we have the islands experience—I was struck by their forward-thinking approach. Norway is operating with new technology; it is about to deploy a hydrogen vessel and has automatic berthing in some ports. I was also struck by its iterative procurement process that is close to market and incentivises innovation.

I understand and appreciate that CMAL has gone through challenging times in the past, and that to switch to a different approach and culture requires resources, support from Government and long-term strategic thinking about how innovative we want our sector to be. What are your reflections on what that would take? We can make recommendations in our report to the Government as to the type of ferry scenario that we want. It is about strategic thinking, a joined-up approach and trying to reduce the use of roads and cars rather than building vessels to take more cars—for example, why are we not thinking about end-to-end traffic? Is there something about the Norwegian model that attracts you and that you think Scotland could aspire to, and what would it take for us to achieve it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Just very briefly, on that point, my constituency is in the West Lothian area. It has had poor take up, which might reflect the fact that it is a semi-rural area. You can get from east to west on a train, but trying to get from north to south, taking timing into account, is different. My young constituents say: “What is the point of having the bus pass when I can’t use it?”. That kind of forecasting will have to take place, so my appeal is that you do not look only at rural areas, because there are some very central semi-rural areas—I expect that Lanarkshire might be similar—that should be specifically examined.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Can I explore what you mean by independence? Independence from whom to deliver what?