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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 1 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Let us move on. Forth Ports noted that it is less clear what will be required after 2030. New and emerging technologies, particularly hydrogen, might demand new skills. How confident are you that Scotland’s skills system can put structures in place to identify and respond to those potential and emerging demands for skills in a timely manner? Much of the focus is on apprentices and younger people coming in, perhaps through colleges. To go back to the idea of a just transition, what can we put in place for older workers?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Just to develop your point about the strategic focus, I know that Transport Scotland is also in the mix, which has resulted in the triangle that, as people will know from the evidence that we have taken, can be seen as being overcomplicated. If CMAL and CalMac were to come together, would that put greater onus on Transport Scotland to have the expertise with regard to accountability? How does that relationship work? Would Transport Scotland’s remoteness potentially be a problem if there were to be a merger?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Finally, how is CMAL preparing for the end of the current Clyde and Hebrides ferry service contract in October 2024, which is only 18 months away?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Clearly, greater strategic analysis is needed. At the end of the day, the masters will decide whether a vessel sails, but this will be the reality for the future. Does there need to be more strategic thinking across all our ports? We should bear in mind that not all of them are CMAL assets; local councils own ports and there are other ownership models. As a country, we are so dependent on our islands and coastal communities, so rising sea levels and worse weather will have a major impact. Should the Government look more closely at how we future proof that whole asset base? Is there a danger that if CMAL, understandably, just looks after its own asset base, our thinking might not be as joined up as it might be when procuring vessels that need to operate at different harbours?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Are you open to a different arrangement whereby some of the strategic thinking might lie within the Government, particularly as a lot of it is about wider connectivity and net zero issues? Some of Transport Scotland’s strategic work could well overlap with some of CMAL’s current functions. Are you open to thinking about different approaches to ensure that we have the required governance and accountability, potentially informed by what the committee recommends?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I have a final question. The current tripartite arrangement was established to comply with European Union law. Now that the United Kingdom has left the EU, can you set out whether the Scottish Government is free to redesign the delivery framework, or are you looking to maintain alignment with EU competition laws? There is also the potential that the original decision was a judgment call, and perhaps you can revisit how much alignment with the EU you would need to maintain. Basically, how much freedom do you have to take decisions that you want to take, or do you have one eye on making sure that we are not subject to any future—

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Going back to your original reference to independence, if I have understood it correctly, I would just point out that the Scottish Government’s view is to try to stay aligned as much as possible with European Union regulations. You are therefore indicating that one eye should be on aligning and keeping pace with EU regulations. I was here when the companies were set up as they currently are, so I know that that was a concern—although it was disputed at the time. Are you suggesting that that is the bit that needs to be weighed up in some of this?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Will you set out on the record why the Scottish Government does not favour the option of unbundling the routes? What advantages do you see in keeping with the status quo in that regard?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Is that because you are focusing on resilience and reliability, which is what we have heard? We heard from our witnesses from Norway that innovation can come from unbundling. Do you believe that, as CMAL is the monopoly provider and CalMac is the operator, we have different market conditions and a different experience?