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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 October 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Just Transition (Grangemouth Area)

Meeting date: 26 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Good morning. Thank you for joining us. Who is responsible for the just transition plan for energy and who is responsible for the one for agriculture? Is it the respective cabinet secretaries with oversight of those portfolios? How will that work?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Good morning. Your investigation has led to the Scottish Government coming up with improvements in its revised guidance, which has been referred to. Do you think that your investigation has had a direct impact on local authorities and change?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

It depends on what your objectives will be. Are your objectives just to meet the compliance and standards that have been set, or are your objectives in CAFS2 or any revisions to CAFS2 to improve air quality more broadly and not just in the hotspot areas that have been identified, so that there is that continuous improvement agenda more widely? Bear in mind that we now have the science and evidence that show that exposure at even much lower levels can be an issue. How do we, as a committee and Parliament, know that that is happening from what you publish?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Would that—I am sorry, convener.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Good morning, cabinet secretary. The Scottish Government’s improvement plan accepts ESS’s recommendations and states that further detail has been added to the broad short, medium and long-term action categories

“to allow a more detailed assessment of progress”.

You state:

“Progress will be reviewed annually and milestone/completion dates adjusted as necessary.”

I think that that is about publishing against the targets and current standards. However, as you might be aware, witnesses have discussed with us the need to recognise that, despite what is set out in the standards, much lower exposure to particulates or substances in the air is damaging, particularly to vulnerable groups. We could meet certain standards and publish annually but not necessarily tackle the underlying problem, which is about air quality generally.

The issue that we are trying to wrestle with is whether your improvement plan and any changes that you might bring to CAFS2 will help improvements more widely beyond strict compliance with standards to ensure continuous improvement. What are your plans in that area?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Cabinet secretary, what are your expectations with regard to LEZs? We have heard that there will be different plans in different cities to address the local situation. We have also heard about the fact that the LEZs will have to reflect, for example, the bus fleet in a particular area. Will you share your views on that, given that we are looking at air quality more widely as part of our discussions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Does the Scottish Government have any views on the WHO’s air quality guidelines, as revised in 2021, and whether they should be implemented in Scotland?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

You indicated that you were aware of the evidence that the committee has had previously. One of the messages that we were getting is that, because we know that poor air quality probably has an impact at a much lower level than the current standards, it is more important to have an agenda of continuous improvement than to focus on standards affecting some hotspots in some areas. Is that something that you have a view on now?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I have a question just to understand your role as well. There are some standards for which it is easier to see where the Scottish Government is complying and so on. How would ESS monitor a continuous improvement agenda to show progress?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Air Quality

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Apologies for straying on to a colleague’s area of questioning, but I was more interested in the five-year review and how that sits with a continuous improvement agenda, which everybody seems to recognise we need to have. Does that relate to your point about there being certain things that we would need to assess more regularly than every five years? That is more of a policy agenda? We know that we need standards. However, we do not want compliance with standards to get in the way of what seems to be a wider continuous improvement agenda that can be monitored and assessed more regularly. Is that your view?