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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

COP15 Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Clearly, NPF4, with its hierarchy, puts biodiversity in a far stronger place than it has been in previously. That is in relation to land use change for planning purposes, but land use management has been happening on some land for generations. In many places, the stewardship of that land has been done very well. It concerns me when I hear about the idea of competing interests.

I was interested in what you said about shared interests, because that must be the solution—if it is a mixed market solution. Yes, there will be some public or community land, but most of this land is in private hands. Therefore, how will that work in practice? You talked about Cairngorms Connect, which was showcased at the Arctic Circle assembly in Iceland as a really good example of how that can be done. Is that the model that you hope will be used elsewhere, or will there be different solutions in different parts of the country, depending on land ownership but also the use of the land? Can you explain a bit more how you see that working in practice?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

COP15 Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I would suggest that, from what we have been hearing, the Western Isles situation is a bit of a conflict zone just now, but I will leave that there for now.

I also referred to the proposed EU nature restoration law. Is that something that you would be looking to keep pace with to ensure that the biodiversity strategy embraces some of that thinking?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Deposit Return Scheme

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I would like to address the issues with return points. Small businesses in particular have concerns about limited space and lack of capital revenue to invest. You have addressed that to an extent, but there are two other issues: one relates to health and safety; the other relates to the distance to another return point. What engagement has there been with different organisations and groups on that? What are their concerns? In addition, when will you know whether convenience retailers are choosing either to establish a return point in their premises or to opt out?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Deposit Return Scheme

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

When will we know?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

COP15 Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

COP15 Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

What is the biggest challenge to making that work effectively?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

COP15 Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

The first time that natural capital was included in an economic recovery plan, it was not the national strategy for economic transformation, but the Covid economic recovery plan, which was published almost three years ago in 2020. I am interested in the action that has been taken in those—dare I say it—two and a half years rather than what has happened in the national strategy for economic transformation.

Moving on, we have talked about the more obvious areas with regard to mainstreaming. As we know, most Government agencies and departments understand the need to embed net zero, as that is one of the crises that we are seeking to address, but what about biodiversity, which is the other crisis that we are dealing with? Have you compared the extent to which it and net zero have been embedded as mainstream activities in other agencies? Do you have forums for bringing together public agencies to discuss what they are doing to tackle nature loss and biodiversity? How does this work in the not-so-obvious areas?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

COP15 Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Finally, is there some forum in which you bring all ministers together to discuss biodiversity, nature loss and so on? Has that happened at any point?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

COP15 Outcomes

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

The UN treaty covers the 30 by 30 pledge for both land and sea. My understanding is that Scotland already has 37 per cent of its marine area covered. The sensitivity of ensuring that we live with local economies while addressing marine protection—certainly in inshore areas—is therefore of particular concern, and we know of, for example, Western Isles Council’s concerns on the proposed HMPAs.

I am not expecting you to deal with that today, as that topic is for another minister, but we should register the point that marine spatial planning must be very sensitive and sensible. We would be looking for a commonsense view to be taken. That will be a key aspect of what we will be looking for in the biodiversity strategy. There must be a balance and a sharing of responsibility, so that what we heard must apply to the land must apply very much to the sea, too. Is that an approach that you would welcome?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Deposit Return Scheme

Meeting date: 14 March 2023

Fiona Hyslop

We should probably pursue the issue of practicalities in rural areas with Circularity Scotland.