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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Finally, how should the market be designed? What market mechanisms should be used to encourage the deployment of, say, hydrogen electrolysers? Again, I am thinking in terms of Scotland-based manufacturing of such equipment.

10:00  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Inward investment is clearly very welcome, but how do we ensure a Scottish supply chain for industrial manufacturing?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Fiona Hyslop

You have talked about the opportunity for production. Given my particular interest in the manufacture of hydrogen electrolysers in Scotland, I wonder whether you can tell us what the enterprise agencies or other public or publicly funded bodies are doing to support that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Fiona Hyslop

The requirement for consent from the Scottish Parliament as opposed to consultation was a key point in our LCM report. I just want to have reassurance that there is active dialogue with the UK Government on the Energy Bill.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 9 May 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

Clearly, the market for renewables can and will be extensive, but it needs certain decisions to be made, which you are considering just now. If we look at what is happening in the US with the Inflation Reduction Act—IRA—and what is happening in Europe with the green deal, we see that the opportunity that we have could be closing if we do not have the market arrangements that we need. That belies the fact that, underneath that, we know that the current electricity market arrangements are not working to ensure that investment of the necessary scale happens rapidly. What is your assessment of the risks?

14:30  

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

I have a few follow-up questions. I am interested in the localisation and decentralisation aspects, too. We have heard from stakeholders who are innovators that diversity needs flexibility, and more localised grid connections could make a big difference in that area.

Secondly, if we consider green hydrogen and big industrial plants—for example, cement plants or big industry users—the distribution aspect, whether off grid or on a different grid, will be key, too, not least given the geography of Scotland.

Thirdly, we have talked about community benefit, but community value would be more immediate and direct access to reliable and affordable renewable green energy.

To what extent, and how, does any of what you have talked about today address those issues?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

My final question is: what impact will the establishment of the future systems operator have on whole energy systems planning? Will the FSO provide certainty about what, where and when the infrastructure needs to be built? You use the term “we” quite a lot, but it is actually private companies that are going to invest the billions of pounds. What can the establishment of the FSO do to provide certainty to enable businesses to invest?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

It is in the committee’s interests, convener.

The Energy Bill is important, but there are obviously issues with it, and I am pleased to hear that you have been talking with different stakeholders separately or together with the Scottish Government. The committee has looked at the bill and has produced a report on it and the legislative consent memorandum.

One of our concerns, which we have also reflected here today, was about the importance of investment in infrastructure, especially the speed of decision making and deployment of that investment. In paragraph 71 of our report on the bill and the LCM, we talk about the combination of the Energy Bill and the Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill giving powers to the environment secretary to make decisions. The Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs is a UK minister, but environment itself is devolved. We are therefore concerned that the

“overlapping matrix of rules, obligations and permissions”

could have a “chilling” impact on investment, which none of us would want to happen. I do not know whether this is your direct responsibility or whether it is a subject for today’s discussions, but is that on your radar? After all, it is in everybody’s interests that decisions are made promptly and securely.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Electricity Infrastructure Inquiry

Meeting date: 27 April 2023

Fiona Hyslop

That is fine. Thank you.