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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I absolutely appreciate everyone’s concerns around what can be done to ensure that our commitment to Ardrossan is realised. I am not currently in a position to give you the information that everybody is looking for. We are coming to a conclusion. I spoke to the leader of North Ayrshire Council at the tail end of last year. We are very clear that our commitment to Ardrossan is there, but the issue is how we realise that. We need to identify the conclusion of the business plan that we requested.

Of course, coming into this post, I looked at the history of the project. Originally, the partners to deliver the improvements were North Ayrshire Council and Peel Ports. Over the period, the Government has had to become involved and it is one of the items that is at the top of my priority list. I would like to give you information at this session; I cannot, but I am very conscious that I will need to report to the committee as soon as I can.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

I will make two points on that. One is that the bus infrastructure fund will enable work to help with easing congestion. On a recent visit to Dundee, it was quite clear to me what they could do should they get approval for funding. I had a good conversation with McGill’s Buses as well on what that would mean for reliability.

Secondly, in relation to the M8, I am recused from talking about that issue, because I have a constituency interest—the M8 and the M9 go through my constituency. I will maybe ask my officials.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

People in Whitburn travel to Glasgow.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

Much as I would like to, no, I cannot.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

That is exactly what we have been looking at—part of looking at the business plan was to identify the cost base.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

We are in a better position than that. Although I would not have used those words, I understand why Kevin Hobbs would have wanted to relay that from his perspective. From the Government’s perspective, I can tell you that, as I said, I hope to be in the position sooner rather than later to be able to come to the committee to advise on what our intentions are.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

If there is a requirement for it, it will be able to be funded, but we have reported to the committee when that lease—that rent—will end. If that is not the case, I will come back to the committee on it.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

Alison Irvine can reflect on the amounts in capital and in revenue.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

There was some split. There was a small amount of revenue. Most of what the new fund can be used for is help for capital works that the councils are requesting and needing for infrastructure.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 21 January 2025

Fiona Hyslop

That research informs our debate, but it is not Government policy. In looking at how we deal with national resourcing for transport, particularly road transport by car, a big issue is how the reserved powers of the UK Government are deployed in relation to fuel duty replacements. It is not just the UK that has to deal with that. Every country will have to identify how it moves from gathering revenue from individuals using carbon travel and what will enable investment in any new system or in any alternatives, such as public transport—which is a very effective measure—in order to reduce car use.

I raised the issue with the then Secretary of State for Transport and the previous ministers for transport in the UK Government, as well as with the current minister, the Minister for Future of Roads. I will certainly raise it with Heidi Alexander, the new Secretary of State for Transport, when I get a chance to meet her.

A UK Parliament committee has identified a big issue. The UK is about to lose £35 billion in fuel duty as sales of carbon cars decrease. This committee will also be involved in the vehicle emissions trading schemes and the zero emission vehicle mandate to reduce the sale of carbon cars and to phase them out.

My strong view is that we should not just leave revenue-raising replacement measures to the Treasury and the issue of how to replace £35 billion of funding for services to the UK Government. I am concerned that that is what will happen. I am constantly being told the issue is being referred to the Treasury. We should probably be looking at it more from how that helps to support the climate change agenda and what that means for road usage more generally.

The issue needs to be dealt with on a UK-wide basis. Last week, I had a very good meeting with Ken Skates, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport and North Wales. At some point, I hope to get that on the agenda with the other ministers in the UK. The decisions will have to be made, so why not do it in a sensible way and try to take a four-nations approach? Of course, the levers in relation to and the decision making on what the replacement for fuel duty should be lie with the UK Government, but we have an interest in the matter and we should keep actively involved in it.