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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 10 August 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you.

Graham Simpson will join us later. For clarity, Graham will be attending as a non-committee member, which means that he is entitled to attend the public part of the meeting and, at my discretion, to participate in questioning witnesses.

Agenda item 1 is a decision on whether to take items 4 to 7 in private. Items 4 and 5 are consideration of the evidence heard at our two evidence sessions, item 6 is consideration of draft letters on carbon capture, utilisation and storage, and item 7 is consideration of the committee’s work programme. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 29 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Agenda item 2 is an evidence session as part of our inquiry into the role of local government and its cross-sectoral partners in financing and delivering a net zero Scotland. I refer members to the papers from the clerk and the Scottish Parliament information centre for the item.

We launched the inquiry in December to look into progress at a local level in reaching net zero targets. The inquiry is also considering what role the Scottish Government and its agencies can play in supporting and challenging local government to work well with its partners, and how local government can play its part in ensuring a just transition to net zero.

We are now in phase 2 of our inquiry, looking in depth at the key themes that emerged from our initial evidence sessions and our call for written views, and we will continue with a theme that we began last week: vocational skills and workforce readiness for net zero targets.

I am pleased to welcome our panellists, who join us remotely. Ian Hill is industry insight manager and Ian Hughes is engagement director for Scotland at the Construction Industry Training Board; Gordon Nelson is Scotland director at the Federation of Master Builders; Martyn Raine is technical and skills manager at the Scottish and Northern Ireland Plumbing Employers’ Federation; and Grant Tierney is chair of Local Authority Building Standards Scotland. Thank you for accepting our invitation; we are delighted to have you here.

We have allocated around 75 minutes for the panel. We welcome comprehensive answers, but with five panellists you will appreciate that we will also welcome concise answers, where possible. I remind members to direct their question to a specific person or to set out a running order for answering the question if it is relevant to more than one witness.

My first question relates to industry in general. Are there areas of the workforce where witnesses expect current skills gaps to increase or new skills gaps to emerge in relation to the transition to net zero? I will go to Ian Hill first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you very much for that.

Jane, can you comment on the draft NPF4 and your views on the role of planners in particular? Does the young generation of planners see itself as leading on net zero within local authorities?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I want ask Jamie Brogan for his overview: is there a demand for reskilling and upskilling in local authorities? I would like to focus on local authorities, in particular, because they and their partners are the focus of our inquiry. Is there a demand for that training and are there any bottlenecks that might constrain it? If there is not sufficient demand, does it need to be stimulated to make sure that the upskilling and reskilling happens right across lots of different areas of staff and professions within local authorities?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

How far have we gone on that journey? Is it the same across all of Scotland or are some local authorities better at doing this than others? Are there any good examples you might want to give us?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you very much.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

That was a very comprehensive answer on NPF4 and what we need to do in that regard.

I want to ask about the profession itself. Are you saying that it is just a case of having the right evidence, the right guidance and so on? As a profession, do planners not need to change and develop themselves? Are you saying that no upskilling is required for existing planners in relation to net zero? Could they just hit the ground running now, or will they need to develop professionally?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Pam, you talked about the importance of and need for a delivery plan for the draft NPF4. However, that plan is not there. What would you like to see in it?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I am not sure whether you have finished, Pam. You have frozen.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Role of Local Government in Delivering Net Zero

Meeting date: 22 March 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Going back to the people aspect, how will the shortfall in planners and funding impact on planning authorities’ ability to help deliver net zero commitments? The fact is that planners are going to be at a premium in not just the public sector but the private sector. Could there be a brain drain of planners from the public to the private sector as the private sector itself tries to do more about net zero?