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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 23 October 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

I might contradict you as well, Martin. You talked about perhaps looking at main links for transport being hubs, and you used the example of Aberdeen. However, shorter ferry crossings with renewable energy electric or, eventually, hydrogen vehicles on the other side of the ferry journey would be a better net zero solution than would everything coming into major hubs. Is that something that you are aware of? That contradicts a wee bit what you were saying earlier.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you. I will move on to ask Peter Clark about Islay, and the whisky industry, in particular.

Clearly, we are seeing great successes with the whisky industry in Islay. The industry is very much dependent on the Islay brand—the successes depend on the island itself—but with, as we currently have, a subsidised CalMac service, the public purse is, in effect, subsidising freight for the profitable whisky trade.

Is there a role for the whisky trade not only in helping to manage demand, as we have heard, but in identifying where subsidies should be? Would the trade be more interested in a direct dependable and reliable freight service that might happen through private tender, for example?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Rob, what is your view on that balance between freight and passengers? I will reflect on some of what we have heard already. We were familiar with “fly and drive” but, from a net zero point of view, “sail and drive”—with electric cars on the other side—might be the way forward if large numbers of family groups are going over to the islands. What does the future look like for you?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Clearly, we want strategic alignment that anticipates future opportunities and has the flexibility to get there. There are various industries. Let us take the northern isles in particular. You raised issues about moving cattle at certain times of the year. What can be done to improve planning of transportation not only of existing freight but, as Mark Ruskell mentioned, for the new industries—although they are current industries—in energy and space? What does the future look like for the northern isles? What would be optimal?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 8 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

You are asking for a more sophisticated, calibrated, strategic and flexible system between industry, business and transport.

I see that you are nodding in response to that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

That was my next question. Are you aware of any routes that are currently subsidised and supported by the Scottish Government that could operate at a commercial profit?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

Thank you very much.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

This is also about the balance of cross-subsidies, because you may want to use the commercial profits from one service to subsidise other services, which is the issue around bundling. I am very keen to understand a bit more about the routes that you think could be commercially operated.

Gordon, you talked about the Islay route. If you have a bundled cross-subsidised system and a profitable whisky industry that benefits from that subsidy, but it does not have the capacity or frequency of service that it needs, is that an example of where there could be addition? Instead of unbundling, could additional services be provided on a more commercial basis?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

The committee is taking a fresh look at the needs of communities and businesses. The Government has been quite clear about its view, but that does not prevent the committee from investigating the subject. Helen, do you want to reflect on the points that I put to Gordon Ross?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 1 November 2022

Fiona Hyslop

You both operate routes in competition with services that are supported by the Scottish Government. I am interested in hearing what impact that has on your businesses and on future possible expansion. For example, you have touched on the length of tenders and investment in vessels.