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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 May 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

Minister, I was going to say at the end of our last discussion that I have no doubt that I, you and everybody in this room want the best for the agriculture industry; the thing is how we get there.

I just want to pick up on the convener’s point. This is a five-year plan that will run from 2027 to 2032—or, effectively, into 2031. As a result, tiers 1 to 4 will be in place until then, because that is what the law sets out, is it not? It sets out a five-year plan, as the CAP used to do. Of course, the CAP was set for seven years initially—was it not?—although I think that the last one was set for five years.

Are you saying that there will be no plans in that period to take away or change tiers 1 and 2, and that there will be direct and enhanced payments that whole time? Is what we are talking about a potential future direction, which would come in post-2031?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I have to be honest that I am still not very clear, but maybe I am not picking this up right. Your route map goes up to 2027, which is two years away. You are right that the hope is that there will be no surprises in that, but I am still not clear.

Will you tell me again what will be in the rural support plan? It will be laid in winter 2025 and will start in 2027. It sets the direction, but we already know the direction. It will be about tiers 1 to 4; tier 1 is about direct payments, with a greening something in tier 2 that we are not clear about yet, and tiers 3 and 4 will come later, plus the less favoured area support scheme and the Scottish beef calf scheme. All of that will be in the plan. You said that it will be a collection of all the evidence and discussions that have happened. Tell me more about that.

09:15  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I assumed that we would have known pretty much all of that by now. For absolute clarity, you are saying that the purpose of the rural support plan is about the future. The SSIs that we will consider in the autumn are about the transition from the legacy schemes into the new schemes. The rural support plan will give us the information, knowledge, strategy, direction and everything else that will take us, post that, through the next five years.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

Minister, you said a second ago that you hope that things are clear to the committee. I want things to be clear to the committee, but one of the fundamental problems that we discussed during the legislative process for the 2024 act was the rural support plan, which will provide the real detail about what the future strategy for agriculture looks like. Here you are telling me that the Scottish statutory instruments will come in the autumn but that the rural support plan will not come until the winter, which could be only a couple of months before the new sections of the agri act kick in in 2026 and only a year before most of the major elements of your strategy come in in 2027. Why is it so late? Surely we should already have that plan and we should be discussing it now.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I am still not clear. We are moving to a four-tier system, which will, in effect, start next year with tier 1, which still involves direct payments. You have talked about a 70:30 split, and you have announced your support of £14 million and your £20 million over 20 years. However, the rural support plan will give us the entire strategy for five years from 2027. We are 10 months from 2026 and we do not have a clear picture of what 2027 to 2032 looks like.

I would have thought that that was quite an important document to set out for our parliamentary scrutiny and more widely for the industry. I get the point that there may be no great surprises in it, but the rural support plan is about setting everything out in one cohesive message, as required by law. Is that not correct?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I beg your pardon.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

That is fine.

10:00  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I almost want to talk about this issue very quietly, because I do not want other countries to pick up on it. In Europe, there has been a big discussion and quite a few press releases about the changes to the common agricultural policy and what is happening in England and Wales. I have read some of the stuff that has come out of Europe in the past few days.

Of course, it is up to individual countries to choose what they want to do, and you are absolutely right to say that we want to get it right for Scotland, but I would like some clarity on that. I am slightly worried, because we sell into that market. It is a very important market for us with regard to the export of sheep, cattle, grain, pigs—I could go on for ever.

Have you had discussions about that? Have you been down to London or Wales or even across to Europe to have such discussions to make sure that you have the comfort of knowing that anything that we do here will not be detrimental to future trade?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

Long before the end of this year. Okay.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

Would you mind updating us with your thoughts after you have had that conversation?