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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Tim Eagle

Good morning. It has been a fascinating 45 minutes, and I now have hundreds of questions running through my head like crazy. It is startling that, as we progress with the agricultural route map, we are two years out from significant changes but everybody round this table is saying that ARIOB has not delivered.

My initial concern with ARIOB was always about whether the people on it were being listened to. Like Jonnie Hall and Kate Rowell, I understand that we have hundreds of years of experience on that panel, but that is not being taken through.

The issue that has come up probably more than anything else this morning is the computer system. The IT system is just not able to deliver. As Jim Walker said, he wrote a report—it was a good report, all of which could have been implemented to take the industry on a 10-year journey. Just how worried should I be that we do not have the infrastructure in place in the background to deliver all the stuff that we are talking about, whether it be the top priorities in the Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Act 2024 or what is coming in the rural support plan? Should we be speaking about that at the highest level?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Tim Eagle

On 19 February, the minister, Jim Fairlie, spoke to us about that very subject. He was asked directly about the money and support that were in place. He said:

“I am confident that the people who are doing the work that we require them to do will deliver it for us.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 19 February 2025; c 25.]

When I asked the head of the IT department what funding was in place, she was unaware of whether there was any funding in place.

In my view, I am right in thinking that there is a significant concern there. The issue is not all about the IT system, but, fundamentally, that is the delivery mechanism through which we get support out.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Tim Eagle

Sorry, convener, but I should declare an interest before someone shouts at me later. I have a small farm.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

A Climate Transition for Scottish Agriculture

Meeting date: 12 March 2025

Tim Eagle

I think that we have that information. It was several hundred million pounds.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

That is the exact question that I was about to ask.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

Perhaps I am wrong about this, but my understanding is that NatureScot has a range of things it can look at when considering deer management, but the word “environment” has now been put in. What does that mean to a land manager? If NatureScot can come and say that you must have regard to the environment before you put in place a deer management plan or it can force you to do X, Y and Z, what does that look like to a land manager on the ground? That is my understanding, at least. The word “environment” is a new addition, is it not?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

You do not foresee the process being used very much.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

What is the process? It is quite subjective, is it not, around the nature restoration stuff? If NatureScot says that it is not happy, so it wants a plan, will there be a move straight to a plan or can there be a period of discussion before a plan needs to be made? Can NatureScot say, “If you do this, we probably won’t need to go to that extent,” or does there have to be a jump straight to a plan? What happens if the landowner says, “Actually, I think that we are doing everything”? What evidence could they supply to NatureScot in saying, “We disagree with you here—we think that we are abiding by what you require of us”?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

The overarching aims also include conserving and enhancing an area’s “natural and cultural heritage” and promoting “sustainable use” and management of natural areas, and those are also among the six new aims that are set out in section 1(2). However, economic development is not specifically referred to.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

Perhaps I am missing the point and you felt that some of the aims needed to be expanded on. I look at the six new aims and think that they are already inbuilt in the original four. However, as we take evidence from various bodies, it will be interesting to know whether they look at the aims and think, “We don’t need to talk more about this, because it is there and clear.” We will find that out as we go forward.