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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 21 August 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I do not dispute that that is the overall aim and, potentially, one of the benefits of technology, but history tells us that these things can cost a huge amount of money. I am looking for a commitment that that will not be taken out of the existing agricultural budgets and that, if money is needed for technology, it will be provided separately—or that that will be a separate budget discussion.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I get that and I am very sympathetic to it; it is a much better way of doing things. It is good to get clarity that that is the vision.

This is a technical point: we have had NVZs—nitrate vulnerable zones—for years and we have had to work out calculations about them. That was based on the fact that, in the old days, fertiliser was cheap, huge amounts of fertilising went on and there was pollution of water courses. That is not so true now. Is the code of practice likely to supersede the NVZ system? I imagine that the code of practice will say something about nutrient management. Is that system outdated now, or are you likely to continue NVZs in the future?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I want to pick up on a couple of points about the code. You say that there has been feedback from all those people. Is that feedback publicly available, or is it feedback that comes to you but that we cannot see, read or hear about?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

Can I ask one more quick question?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

Just for the record—I think that you nodded—will you confirm that there will definitely be no penalty in 2025 and that there would just be a warning letter.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

Excellent.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

Okay. I just wanted to make sure.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I have to be honest that I am still not very clear, but maybe I am not picking this up right. Your route map goes up to 2027, which is two years away. You are right that the hope is that there will be no surprises in that, but I am still not clear.

Will you tell me again what will be in the rural support plan? It will be laid in winter 2025 and will start in 2027. It sets the direction, but we already know the direction. It will be about tiers 1 to 4; tier 1 is about direct payments, with a greening something in tier 2 that we are not clear about yet, and tiers 3 and 4 will come later, plus the less favoured area support scheme and the Scottish beef calf scheme. All of that will be in the plan. You said that it will be a collection of all the evidence and discussions that have happened. Tell me more about that.

09:15  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

I assumed that we would have known pretty much all of that by now. For absolute clarity, you are saying that the purpose of the rural support plan is about the future. The SSIs that we will consider in the autumn are about the transition from the legacy schemes into the new schemes. The rural support plan will give us the information, knowledge, strategy, direction and everything else that will take us, post that, through the next five years.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Future Agriculture Policy

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Tim Eagle

Minister, you said a second ago that you hope that things are clear to the committee. I want things to be clear to the committee, but one of the fundamental problems that we discussed during the legislative process for the 2024 act was the rural support plan, which will provide the real detail about what the future strategy for agriculture looks like. Here you are telling me that the Scottish statutory instruments will come in the autumn but that the rural support plan will not come until the winter, which could be only a couple of months before the new sections of the agri act kick in in 2026 and only a year before most of the major elements of your strategy come in in 2027. Why is it so late? Surely we should already have that plan and we should be discussing it now.