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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

The bill sees the addition of the word “environment” to things that NatureScot must account for. What criteria or metrics will be used to assess environmental impact, and how will it be balanced by local management?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

The bill sees the addition of the word “environment” to the things that NatureScot must account for. What was the purpose of that addition and how will you assess that? What does it mean in practice?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

Good morning. Thank you for coming in.

My questions are about the 30 by 30 targets for 30 per cent of land and sea to be protected by 2030. I believe that the legislative team thought about making changes to legislation to help to make that doable in the foreseeable future, but there is nothing in the bill on that. What did you think it might have been useful to include in the legislation, and why are those things not in the bill? How do you think that you can make progress on the 30 by 30 targets?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

If you are not going to implement legislative changes on the 30 by 30 targets, how will you make progress on them?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

I will come to the point on “have regard to” in a second, because I love a bit of legal terminology.

First, I go back to Emma Harper’s point about economic opportunities in national parks, which is critical. I want to double check that I have this right. Section 1 of the 2000 act sets out four principal national park aims and, in the bill, you slightly tinker with those aims but not very much. However, section 5(2)(1) of the bill amends the 2000 act by introducing a new section 1(2), which adds six new aims that are around issues such as the natural environment, biodiversity, climate and access. Those aims expand upon the four main national park aims, but none of them refers to the economy or economic development in a national park.

That concerns me slightly, because lots of businesses, not just farmers, operate in the parks. Why not add another aim that is about enhancing and protecting the sustainable economic development of those areas?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

I want to try to get a little more clarity on the deer management plans and how they will operate. Out of curiosity, do you see them as, in effect, the same as the deer management nature restoration orders? How are they different, if that makes sense?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

That is the question that I am asking. There might be a plan in place, but, at some point, NatureScot might decide that the plan is not delivering what it wants. At that point, can there be a period of discussion before any further process is needed? NatureScot might come back at that point and say, “We still disagree with you,” but is there a process by which the landowner can provide evidence to NatureScot?

I am asking, in effect, whether there is an appeals process. Does the landowner have the power to disagree, or do they just have to do what NatureScot says?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

Do you have any thoughts at this point on what that would be?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

Okay—fine. Thank you.

I will go back to the point that Norman Munro made a minute ago about the statutory duty being changed from “have regard to” to “facilitate the implementation of”. What will that mean in practice for a local authority or other public body in a national park area?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 March 2025

Tim Eagle

What is the thinking behind that? Let us say that I am a councillor sitting on one of our wonderful councils and a national park covers part of my ward, and I am struggling for cash. Currently, when I get a paper that covers part of the national park area, I would have regard to the plan—I think that I understand what it is trying to do and that I have to go in a certain direction. However, under the bill, I will have to facilitate the implementation of that plan. That might have an economic or financial consequence, or it might have a consequence for what I can do on planning, education or anything else. Will you develop that a little more and say what you expect the local government lawyers to say to that?