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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

It is about the transfer. It is not just the first purchase; you could be a supplier to an acquirer who has the puppies for a short time before moving them to somebody else—that is what the provision is going for.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

Most of it is common sense. People should ask the person who is supplying the puppy why they cannot see it with its mother and challenge them.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

It is a good question, Ms Hamilton, but the rehoming centres, such as the SSPCA and Dogs Trust, are very strict. If they have a dog with behavioural issues, as cutesy as it might be, even if somebody says, “I just love it,” they would say that the dog has issues. Quite often, the centres keep the dogs and retrain them.

The centres are, in fact, huge custodians of the welfare of the animals that they have and of the people who want them, and they will not simply hand the dog over. I know that from experience, because I am a member of the SSPCA, which I probably should have declared, and I am also a patron of the Edinburgh Dog and Cat Home, which has had some dogs for a couple of years because the right match for them has not been found.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I do not remember it, so you might have to repeat it. [Laughter.]

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

The point is that the current system is not working. It is quite common for people to know about puppy factory farms, but the fact that puppies are being sent back and dogs are being abandoned tells us that we are not having the proper effect. The code is simple. It is to educate people and make them realise that they are not rescuing a puppy—they are creating more misery for more puppies.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I will also say that I saw my puppy with the other dogs, and it was very well socialised and happy as a bunny. The gamekeeper told us that they were keeping two but that they did not need the other six, because they would not be suitable.

To me, this is not a difficult issue. The difference is that a working dog retires but a pet does not. A working dog might retire and be kept with a person after it does so.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I was a young woman at the beginning of this process.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I want to get the bill through, so I have to carry a lot of people with me, including the Government. Therefore, I have taken a lighter-touch approach. When I started out all those years ago, in my youth, there were going to be penalties and everything else. A lot has changed in that time—with inflation, the pressures on local government and the pressures on budgets—so I must be realistic.

What is important to me is that I get the education part through. That is why I am prepared to compromise on other parts, and it is why the bill takes a lighter touch on registration. I would love it to be tougher, but you have to fit in with the times and with what is practicable in terms of legislation. I hope that what I have ended up with—bearing in mind my caveat about registration in the light of a national microchipping system—can become law and can work. I am not interested in legislation for its own sake; I want it to change what is happening out there for puppies and owners. That is why I have taken a lighter-touch approach on the registration scheme, and it is why I have moved a bit further as I have gone along the road.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I do not think that the Government has been as specific as that. It has alluded to a microchipping system and a national database as something that would be useful. I do not think—to the best of my knowledge; I will just check—that it has gone so far as to say that what has been proposed would be equivalent to that. However, it is a better step than having nothing at all, as we have at the moment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2023

Christine Grahame

I am not looking to add information; my thrust is about registration. Every cow and sheep in Scotland has a registration number; I would like that for each puppy sale or transfer. This has been added by the Government—