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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I should have thought of drones. We fight wars with those now—horrendously—but that is obviously one technology.

We have heard that, even if people are caught, the fines do not deteriorate—[Interruption.] I cannot see as I do not have my glasses on; I mean that the fines do not deter illegal activity. Do you have a comment on that? It must cost you more money each time.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

Good morning. I am new to this topic, so I will put to you a little narrative and then my questions.

My understanding is that the largest proportional share of the marine directorate budget goes to compliance and enforcement—some 37 per cent from 2009-10 to 2022-23. That is what our briefing says. Part of that enforcement is done by—let me just get my glasses here—three marine protection vessels and two aircraft, but remote electronic monitoring is also used. To further set out the stall, we are told that 150 non-UK vessels are fishing pelagic species in Scottish waters throughout the year. I do not have the figure for the UK vessels, and I would like to know that.

My questions flow from those points, although I might have other bits to add. Can you tell me what that budget is? Are there separate budgets for compliance and enforcement, or are they one and the same?

How old are the marine protection vessels and aircraft, and how much do they cost? I appreciate that it is a huge area, but those seem to be inadequate and quite expensive, so I would like to know that figure.

On ensuring compliance, it seems to me that the non-UK vessels get off lightly, because it is easier to deal with the UK vessels, as they will be registered and licensed. How does it work when people are breaking the rules? From what is in my notes, it appears that damage is still being done to the fish stock and the sea bed. In terms of dissuading people, compliance will save you having to go to enforcement, which I would think is more costly. How do we deal with the non-UK vessels?

With regard to the ageing vessels—although I do not yet know their age—what is a better way of doing what they do? I do not understand how remote electronic monitoring works, so maybe you can tell me, with regard to non-UK vessels in particular.

The level of fines, at the end of the day, does not appear to be hitting the mark. Someone can make more money by breaking the law and paying the fine.

That is my list of questions.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

Does that include non-UK vessels?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I am just looking for an umbrella cost for something that you might define as “enforcement”.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

If you cannot do that just now, you could perhaps write to the committee and let me know, in simple terms, what it costs to ensure that illegality is not taking place in our seas.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

Yes. How old are they?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

The regulations were welcomed by the cross-party group on gardening and horticulture. That is correct, is it not, Ms Hamilton?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I am talking about the level of funding.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

If somebody says to me, “Ms Grahame, I am going to pay you such and such at the 2018 amount and the interim position is that that will be fixed for 12 years”, that is the position. You are saying to me that, if the Government gets more money, people might get more than that, but that is not what the law will say. The law will say that it should be 2018 rates.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

Please.