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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

So, there will be another regulation that says, “Well, it will not be the rate that was applied in 2018; it will be the rate that applies in 2024.”

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I understand the point about budgets, but I am talking about legislation. If you put something in black and white that says, “The rate is going to be what it was in 2018”, that rate will have to be applied. Would other regulations be needed to change the rate? I do not know. That is all that I am asking.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I am learning as we go along, but I want to highlight one key thing—only one. I understand that this is an interim measure and that the aim is to keep policies as they are—blah-di-blah-di-blah—but I note that, as the convener has pointed out, the DPLR Committee has said:

“under regulation 2(4) the instrument keeps the rate of payments under the Less Favoured Area Support Scheme at the current rate (which is the rate ... in 2018)”.

According to the report, the instrument will keep payments at that rate for the next 12 years. That is the first thing.

Secondly, as I say, I am new to this game, but the word “interim” does not usually mean that it will take six years to get something sorted out. I understand that farming is a long-term thing, but we are talking about an interim measure lasting for six years. I want clarity on what is being said.

The DPLR Committee report also talks about

“the current rate (which is the rate that applied in 2018) until 2030.”

In other words, there is a line in the sand at 2030. Are you saying, minister, that this interim measure could finish in 2027, or is 2030 the deadline? Is that the date that will be kept?

Therefore, there are actually three points that I want to make: one about the level of payments; one about the fact that, although we are talking about a date that is six years away, this is still called an interim measure; and one about the fact that 2030 seems to be the actual date—it does not say “up to 2030” or “no later than 2030”; it is 2030.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I know that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

For 12 years.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I do not understand this. If somebody says to me—

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

So

“at the current rate ... until 2030”

should probably say “at the current rate”—whatever that rate is—“not beyond 2030” or something like that, because you are saying that the rate could be changed earlier. The report made me think that the rate would stay the same until 2030, but it could be changed earlier. Is that correct?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

Yes. I have both in front of me. Is the exact wording in the regulations “until 2030”?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

Yes. That is what I am reading.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 25 September 2024

Christine Grahame

I understand that this is an interim measure and that the regulations are about providing certainty for the time being until we get to where we want to be, now that we are not in the European Union.

However, I have looked at the regulations, and regulation 2 includes a list. It states:

“‘Scheme 2025 payment’ means the sum to which the applicant is entitled in respect of the period from 1st January 2025 to 31st December 2025”.

I will skip the others, but it then states:

“‘Scheme 2029 payment’ means the sum to which the applicant is entitled in respect of the period from 1st January 2029 to 31st December 2029”.

It then says the same for the scheme 2030 payment. Therefore, in relation to management of the payments, the system is rigid and fixed in the regulations. People will get the payment at the 2018 rate from 1 January 2030 to 31 December 2030. The system is fixed; it is not flexible.

I am looking at the regulations to try to understand things. They are important, because they are the basis on which payments will be made for specific periods of time. The regulations cannot be amended—if they go through, that is that. As I understand it, other regulations would need to be made. Am I right? I do not know. I am asking.