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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 January 2026
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Meeting of the Parliament

General Question Time

Meeting date: 8 December 2022

Christine Grahame

I refer to the Scottish Government-commissioned research entitled “The Contribution of EU Workers in the Social Care Workforce in Scotland 2022”, which was published in August. Further to those findings, although I accept that Covid has had its impact, does the minister agree that Brexit has made the situation relating to the retention and recruitment of European Union workers worse?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

I understand that they are legal entities. Companies, clubs and partnerships are legal entities, but “category” is not a legal entity.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

Could we have another little meeting about that?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

Yes. Are we going to agree again?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

I dispute that, because, with a gun licence, somebody has to license the person’s expertise. They will have expertise with a gun, and the expertise that is required for management of the land. In the circumstances, there is enough in common—although there is not a direct similarity—to say that there should be a register, which would allow people to know and to feel secure.

Edward Mountain turned the issue on its head and used the word “victimised”. I would put it the other way round: the person who is being granted that exceptional licence as published knows that when they are out and about exercising the licence, they are doing so, and if any member of the public challenges them, they are able to say, “Well, have you checked the register? I’m licensed to do this.” That turns the situation on its head.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

What I am asking for is quite plain stuff—it does not go down to the granular level. I am asking that we

“keep a register of licences granted, including the start and end dates of the licence and the name of the licence holder.”

That is it. The rest can be done by regulation. It does not get into the detail of the guns and so on, which Edward Mountain has just exemplified.

It is my understanding that the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission has suggested that we should have such a register. I see security in it for people who have been granted exceptions. The public will think, “Oh well, this is the law now,” and they will not necessarily appreciate that there are exceptions to exceptions whereby there could be an increase in the activity. Rather than see it as victimisation—to repeat myself—I would see it as something that would give security to the licence holder.

I have nothing further to add, convener. If you feel that it is appropriate, perhaps the minister could answer some of those points, as I just want explanations.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

How, therefore, would that category be described in the licence? Would it refer to the farmers of X, Y and Z farms?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

Forgive me, convener, but I am going to have to ponder that for stage 3, as I am not quite satisfied with the explanation. It may be perfectly right, but I need to tease it out and read the detail.

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

That would be good. My understanding is that the licence goes to a person or category as the bill stands. Therefore, if the licence is breached, surely the licence holder is liable, notwithstanding the fact that another party is undertaking the physical control. At the end of the day, it is the licence holder who says, “I’m getting a licence, and I’m responsible for what happens under this licence of mine.”

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 7 December 2022

Christine Grahame

We would not know who those were. It could be anybody. It could be somebody who has nothing to do with the landowner.