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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

It just struck me that practically everything you can get, you want to prevent.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

I have been waving my hand at you, convener.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

I am looking at what the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission does. It said:

“We looked at snares generically, but we have also looked at humane or modified cable restraints. The basic operation of the snare is the same whether it is modified or not ... We looked at that and we could not see any fundamental difference between the manner of operating of the conventional type and that of the new type.”—[Official Report, Rural Affairs and Islands Committee, 14 June 2023; c 60.]

I have two questions. First, why do you not simply come out and say, “We will go with the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission”? That is why it was set up.

Secondly, let us say that you try to ban the sale of snares. Have you raised that issue in relation to the United Kingdom Internal Market Act 2020 or are you raising it in advance with your UK counterpart? It is a case of not just possession and use but sale. The same issue will arise.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

The sentence that follows the table of detailed stats that the Scottish Government provided in the letter to us simply stated:

“Information provided by the National Wildlife Crime Unit shows the land use category most associated with raptor persecution incidents is grouse moors.”

It would be helpful to the committee to expand—perhaps not now but in a further letter—on what that information is and to give us some detail. It would help our understanding of that assertion if that point were expanded on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

Was it? Sorry, I have missed it.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

Are we on to question 9?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

I was losing the will to live there for a moment as we went round in circles on codes of practice.

The minister was quite right to say that most land management is done appropriately—it is just the odd case that causes difficulty, if I can put it in my own way. However, every business will now have to comply with everything. How did you come to the conclusion that there will be little to no impact on businesses that currently comply with the law?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

That is good. Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

I am quite happy. I am looking at section 7(2) and proposed new section 16AA(8) and at the suspension that takes place whether or not the relevant authority is satisfied. I am looking at that and, in my view, you do specify. The bill talks about and defines an “official investigation”, talks about a “relevant authority” and then defines what a “relevant offence” is. A number of other statutes are referred to.

If I am right, it would be a pretty dramatic circumstance if a relevant authority such as NatureScot suspended a licence there and then. Something pretty dramatic and obvious would have to have happened. I think that I am also right in understanding that that could be taken straight to appeal.

I have one thing to ask, although you may be unable to answer. How quickly would an appeal be taken? Would it be like an interim interdict, which can be repealed and removed the next day? Would it be quite quick, depending on circumstance, or would someone sit for months waiting for a criminal prosecution and with their licence suspended or amended? Because of its impact, could the process be accelerated by the sheriff? That is what I am trying to find out. That would be a better way of looking at it. It would depend on the circumstances, but I think that that is an important thing to know.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Wildlife Management and Muirburn (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Christine Grahame

I am talking about acreage. I might have a piece of land the size of this room that has peat to a depth of 40cm and complies with your definition. Is that peatland? Can I burn it? Which application do I come under? Who is going to tell me?