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We are part of the negotiating process, although I do not personally sit in on PNB meetings, for all sorts of reasons that you would understand.

Thank you, convener, and good morning to everyone. The Criminal Justice (Scotland) Act 2016 provided for the establishment of the Police Negotiating Board for Scotland, and the regulations will give effect to the constitution of the new body.

The constitution is published and linked in the regulations. It sets out how the new body will carry out its functions in negotiating pay and terms and conditions for police officers in Scotland. Our aim is to create a modern negotiating body, with consensus on the matters under its remit being the norm. However, the constitution also sets out how conciliation and arbitration should be used when all other options are exhausted. The new Police Negotiating Board for Scotland will replace the Police Negotiating Board for the United Kingdom, which now extends only to Scotland following the abolition of the Police Negotiating Board in relation to England, Wales and Northern Ireland, where police officers’ pay is now considered by the Police Remuneration and Review Body.

The new body will become operative on 17 August 2023.

To help inform the development of the regulations, the current members of the PNB, including Police Scotland, the Scottish Police Authority and the staff associations, have been consulted on the detailed arrangements set out in them. The Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service Scotland has been consulted on the arrangements for conciliation and arbitration. The views of those stakeholders have been taken into account. I can report that the PNB members agree that collective bargaining should be maintained and that they support the introduction of the PNBS.

The regulations will give effect to the constitution of the PNBS, which has now been published. The regulations will disapply what would otherwise be mandatory statutory arbitration rules, and they define qualifying cases, which are cases in respect of which ministers must “take all reasonable steps” that appear to them to be necessary to give effect to the representations made to them following arbitration.

The regulations disapply the mandatory rules made under the Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010 and, in the constitution, PNBS members have set out that the default arbitration rules under the 2010 act will not apply to arbitration in the PNBS. Disapplying the rules will allow there to be continuity in arbitration procedures between the PNB UK and the PNBS.

ACAS Scotland will carry out conciliation and arbitration in line with the guidance set out under the constitution. Arbitration findings are binding on the PNBS and would form the representations made to the Scottish ministers. In 2016, the Parliament agreed that ministers should “take all reasonable steps” to implement the findings of arbitration, but there was also agreement that that should be limited to two cases each year. The regulations and the constitution set out the criteria for the two qualifying cases, in which ministers will “take all reasonable steps” to implement the findings of arbitration. Other disputes might go to arbitration in any given year, and ministers would consider the representations that the PNBS made, but would not be legally bound to take all reasonable steps to implement the findings.

It should be noted that, since 2014—when the PNB UK was abolished in England, Wales and Northern Ireland—there has not been a need for arbitration in Scotland. Pay and terms and conditions claims in Scotland have been successfully agreed by the PNB. However, it is right that police officers have the protection of arbitration set in legislation to provide police staff associations with an agreed route to resolve disputes. Police officers are not employees, are not governed by normal industrial relations and cannot withdraw their labour, so they need to have their terms and conditions set out in police regulations and to have a fair mechanism to negotiate and resolve disputes.

We are currently recruiting the first chairperson of the new body, and I take this opportunity to thank Ian McKay, who is the current chair of the PNB UK, for his eight years of service in chairing the PNB. During those years, the PNB agreed a range of changes to officers’ terms and conditions and reached agreement each year on the annual pay award.

I believe that the PNBS continues our commitment to collective bargaining, gives an effective voice for police officers and will provide them with a mechanism to discuss and negotiate their terms and conditions with the organisations that fund the service in Scotland.

I am happy to take questions, convener.

I am happy to answer any specific question on any matters that have been raised directly with the committee.

The core issue is about the binding effect of arbitration. We legislated for almost-binding arbitration in the 2016 act. That is the closest that we could get to binding the Parliament and ministers—that is a really high threshold for binding the Government. I hope that that is of considerable reassurance both to the committee and to the staff associations, all of which have been consulted on the regulations and the constitution.

It is important to stress that, practically, the PNBS will operate on three levels. First, we have the regulations. Secondly, the constitution has been published—has been shared publicly—and is rooted in the regulations. However, there is a third layer below that, in the day-to-day operating guide. That is being developed and it will be for all parties in the PNBS to come to an agreement about its processes.

Are you talking about the correspondence of 24 May?

It was published in May 2023.

It is broadly similar.

It is my understanding that past experience always informs future negotiations over matters in and around such important agreements.

It will be for the UK Government to meet the costs that are incurred by Glasgow City Council and Police Scotland. The Home Office has been very clear on that. We are still some distance away from the general assembly. We are looking at November next year, so much of the work on estimating costs will continue. Police Scotland and Glasgow City Council are confident that the plans that they have in place are appropriate, but there will continue to be very close dialogue between the Scottish Government, the UK Government and, of course, our partners in Glasgow.

As my speaking note and the policy memorandum indicate, the order has two functions. One is to enable Glasgow to host the general assembly of Interpol, so there is very specific consideration given to the operational needs of Interpol with respect to those functions. The other purpose to the order is that it is particularly important post-Brexit to ensure that the United Kingdom can continue to collaborate with Interpol, given its importance as an international forum of co-operation in law enforcement.

There is no end date to the order, and it is for either party—Interpol or the United Kingdom—to terminate it. It is a necessary order for the specific function of the general assembly and the individuals who will attend the general assembly. Its broader function relates to what the UK Government has negotiated in the agreement to secure an on-going relationship with Interpol, and it is in all our interests for the UK to continue to engage with Interpol.