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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 17 June 2025
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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Roz McCall

I apologise for this, cabinet secretary, but I want to go back to Mr Mason’s question about how clients will be informed. According to your initial answer, everybody signs up to the initial agreement that there will be information sharing, but the fact is that many people who are in circumstances of stress will agree to a lot of things without fully understanding what they actually mean. In cases in which there can be no explicit consent because of the circumstances that have already been highlighted, how will the individual know that all this is happening, in effect, in the background?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Roz McCall

Good morning, everyone, and thank you for coming along.

I want to talk about timing, which Mark Griffin has already alluded to reasonably succinctly in his opening statement. As you are aware, the Scottish Government wrote to the committee on 6 November and said that it will shortly consult on EIA, but we are still some years away from its delivery. The cabinet secretary could not give a lead-in time from consultation to benefit introduction, and she did not give a timescale. You have highlighted that time is running out.

On the timescale, can you elaborate a little more on why the bill should be supported in the absence of any policy on EIA or commitment to a firm timetable for its introduction and/or reform? Why not wait for the consultation?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Roz McCall

Again, please excuse my ignorance on this, but we could have a situation in which the first thing that the client knows is when somebody from social work turns up at the door.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Roz McCall

Good morning, cabinet secretary. What training and guidance are in place to ensure that data sharing is proportionate? You alluded to this in your opening statement, but can you give us a more detailed idea of what you think is proportionate?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Scottish Employment Injuries Advisory Council Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Roz McCall

Thank you. I appreciate that.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 December 2023

Roz McCall

I am totally behind the understanding that underpins the change, and I think that it is important. I will always have a concern that the individual or the client may, in a lot of cases, be circumvented in certain ways. I accept whole-heartedly the attempt to move forward, and it is important that we do so, but there will always be a little question mark at the back of my mind, as the individual still needs to be at the heart of everything that we do.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Delivering Scottish Social Security

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Roz McCall

That was helpful—thank you. A lot of the information that you have provided today, including the article that was sent to us, has been very helpful to me, as somebody who is reasonably new to the committee and does not have that systemic memory that you have mentioned.

Another question sprung to mind when you stated earlier in the session—in response to the deputy convener, I think—that SCOSS is now in a position where it could perhaps handle an increase in responsibility in what we are looking at. Earlier, the cabinet secretary was of the mind that that was maybe not the right way to go. Can you expand on why you think this is the right place for the commission to move forward and why it provides the right avenue for taking on that additional responsibility?

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Delivering Scottish Social Security

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Roz McCall

I am, yes.

Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Delivering Scottish Social Security

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Roz McCall

That was very informative—thank you. Thank you for your candour, too. I appreciate it.

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Social Justice and Social Security Committee

Delivering Scottish Social Security

Meeting date: 30 November 2023

Roz McCall

Hello, and thank you very much indeed for the information. I will be mopping up, because I have some questions that are based on your answers to other questions.

In response to my colleague Mr Mason, you said that some of the hope in the initial stages of the setting up of SCOSS, as regards how things would or could be in the early days, has not quite come to fruition. Given those challenges, do you think that the devolved benefits system is as good as it could be? You have highlighted that it has maybe not quite met the aspirations that you had at first.