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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

The only policy that you have identified is the decoupling. Are there no others that you would consider?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

Does anyone else want to come in on my question?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

Understood. I turn to the credibility of negative emissions technologies. As I understand it—I am happy to be corrected if I have misunderstood—there are, in essence, two flavours of negative emissions technologies. In one version, you would attach an interim measure, perhaps a chemical process or a reverse process, to a specific installation to deal with the emissions of that specific site. The other version is a bit more hypothetical, whereby you would take those emissions and stuff them back under the North Sea and hope that they stay there. Have I got that right, and how credible are the two pathways? I heard Professor de Leeuw talk about negative emissions technology as an interim solution. I would agree with having that as an interim solution for key industrial sites until we can get electrification going, but I am very sceptical—because it has not been proven—about the idea of long-term carbon storage under the North Sea.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

Do you mean a specific subsidy as opposed to policy change?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

With the convener’s indulgence, I will ask a supplementary to Michelle Thomson’s question before I move on to other questions. It is about net costs versus gross costs of the investment that is required for decarbonisation. I think that we all agree that investment is required, but this is a long-term project, as David Thomson has mentioned, and, during that time, factories will have equipment that comes to its end of life, as well as normal maintenance and repair. We are definitely talking about large sums of money, and there will be some natural attrition of equipment that needs replacing, which would be part of any normal business planning, and of course there will be some amount—a fraction—of savings from insulation and efficiencies as we go forward. When sums are being quoted, are they net or gross?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

That is really helpful. One of my frustrations with the plan—it sounds as though Professor de Leeuw and Ms Dingwall have a similar frustration—is that it is not specific about businesses. We know who the big polluters are in Scotland. You can google to find a very quick list, which includes the Peterhead gas power station, the Ineos Grangemouth complex—that will have changed since the list was compiled—Mossmorran, the Shell St Fergus gas plant, the Tarmac cement works and a whole host of biomass and waste incinerators, whisky distilleries and glass plants. That is before you get to a typical small business. I would assert that we know where the big polluters are, which are not the average everyday small businesses—it is those big guys.

Any climate change plan that does not sit down with the big businesses and ask, “What is your plan for decarbonising?” is not worth the paper that it is written on. They are the ones that are creating the pollution and they are the ones that will have to fix it. To some extent, there is frustration that those businesses have very broad shoulders and do not need Government handouts. What are your views on how we tackle the big polluters and how we prioritise them and lean on them to come up with a plan for how they will reduce their emissions, instead of making small businesses feel like they ought to be doing something when they are not really the problem?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

My final question to the whole panel—anyone should feel free to come in on it—is a general one about credibility. Does the climate change plan from the Scottish Government look credible? I note that, in several cases, it is kicking the can down the road a bit compared with what the Climate Change Committee has recommended—starting later and catching up later. Is that credible? Is it more realistic? Are we on the right track here?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

The question is to both of you, but please start, Mr Woolley.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

You have raised a very good point about the importance of driving down electricity costs. Do you have a shortlist of the actions that the Government needs to take to do that? I assume that one of the actions would be undoing the artificial link between electricity costs and gas costs that we have in the United Kingdom. What else do we need to do? I agree that electricity costs are a key driver.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 7 January 2026

Lorna Slater

Thank you, convener.