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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 December 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Lorna Slater

I hope that I speak for the committee when I say that we have a general concern that the process must not be a tick-box exercise or a talking shop. We want it to have impact. In order to judge what impact it has had, people will have to be able to measure or audit it in some way. That is a theme that we will come back to.

My final line of questioning is about the organisations that are on the list of relevant public bodies in section 5 and the list of specified public bodies in the schedule. What criteria were used to put those organisations on the lists? Some witnesses—including representatives of organisations that are missing from the lists—asked why there were two lists and suggested that there could be just one. Another question was whether organisations with a significant amount of land assets, for example, should be considered in a different way from those that have purchasing power. I would like to understand why those lists are the way they are and to hear an explanation of who is on them.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Lorna Slater

Would it not, therefore, be more accurate to change the reference that the bill makes to “economic growth”, which implies change to GDP, to other language, such as “economic success” or “economic prosperity”? One of our witnesses suggested that the bill could refer to increasing

“social, cultural and ecological wealth”.—[Official Report, Economy and Fair Work Committee, 18 June 2025; c 33.]

Would the minister be open to revisiting the language to make it reflect more accurately the intention that he has just set out?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Lorna Slater

That is my issue, because different people think about economic growth in different ways. In the current cultural zeitgeist, it means increasing GDP, which I think we all agree is not the sole thing that we are after here.

With regard to measures of success, ideas that have emerged from our evidence sessions are that there should be some sort of community audit and that, as community wealth building projects progress, the community should be able to evaluate how the process has been working for them. There are no such measures in the bill. The bill simply sets out the intentions without setting out ways to track or measure how successful such projects have been. Would the minister support amendments to the bill in that regard? Has any thought been given to how success might be tracked?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Lorna Slater

I am interested in the criteria that were used to choose those bodies, particularly for the shorter list.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Lorna Slater

Brilliant. Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 25 June 2025

Lorna Slater

I have a quick question about the metrics and so forth that Daniel Johnson spoke about. One of our witnesses was clear that it is hard to assess not only the data that already exists on community wealth building but also how progress might be measured, because there is no data collection. Are ministers and officials open to putting data collection requirements into the guidance or the bill? Whatever we end up deciding to measure, there will need to be obligations to collect data on those metrics so that we can track progress.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Product Regulation and Metrology Bill (UK Parliament Legislation)

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Lorna Slater

It concerns me also that there appears to be a creeping rolling back of devolution. Each piece of legislation, such as this bill, does not seem so bad by itself, but the accumulation means that the powers of the Scottish Parliament to diverge and to put in place our own legislation to protect Scotland’s environment are absolutely being restricted. I share your frustrations on this. I would like to feed back to the Scottish Government that I certainly support it pushing back harder on protecting Scottish devolution. The direction of travel is very worrying to me.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Lorna Slater

Morven, do you have anything to add?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Lorna Slater

My second question builds on an issue that Matt Pearce has already spoken about—that of who else should be on the list of organisations that should be around the table. I am interested to hear everyone’s thoughts on that. In particular, I am interested in why some people need to be around the table.

During our evidence sessions, we have been told that some people need to be at the table because they own the assets—they own chunks of land—or because they have significant procurement powers. That is the case with the national health service, for example.

Matt, could you give an overview on why certain organisations need to be around the table? After that, I would love to hear from everyone on whether we have the right people on those lists and who else should be on those lists.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you. Morven, do you have anything to add?