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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
That is the same matter. It is covered by NatureScot’s ability to set conditions and inspect the site to ensure that conditions are safe. All shooting requires that the person pulling the trigger has a safe backstop and observes all shooting requirements. That would absolutely cover people, too. It is up to the person pulling the trigger to ensure that they have followed all the safety requirements and that it is safe for them to do so.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
The member is absolutely right; I agree that we need to be consistent. Bracken causes some challenges with respect to Lyme disease. Only 2 per cent of the bracken was being managed with Asulox, with 98 per cent being managed in other ways. That means that it is unlikely that the 2 per cent of bracken was making a significant difference to Lyme disease, especially because that bracken was, by definition, in areas that were topographically difficult for people to get to.
Bracken is a challenge and I absolutely understand the severity of the situation with ticks in bracken. Asulox was not solving the problem, which is one that we need to work on together, because we need a steady approach to bracken.
We also do not actually have good evidence, as was highlighted by the review carried out by the James Hutton Institute. We do not have evidence that bracken carries more ticks than other herbage, or evidence on why it might do so—it might be caused by increased deer numbers or by climate change—or why it appears that there are more ticks than there used to be. We just do not have the evidence. That is one piece of work that needs to be done.
To go back to the member’s first question, the James Hutton Institute also brought up the issue of gaps in the evidence about amidosulfuron. It has been used, but there has not been enough experimentation to know whether repeated treatments would be needed or how effective it might be in the long run.
As I said at the start, the James Hutton Institute review identified the gaps in knowledge, one of which is about amidosulfuron, another of which is about ticks. We also do not know about other management mechanisms or about where the bracken is growing, or how fast. Those are all evidence gaps. In the letter that I have promised to send to the committee, I will ensure that we include information about how all those gaps might be filled and about the process for developing a research programme.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
Let me be clear that Asulox is not an authorised chemical, but that there is a process by which it has been used. The Bracken Control Group applies for emergency authorisation and, within that application, makes arguments as to why that particular mechanism should be used. The risk of fire is not on the list of arguments, so that would not have been considered, because the HSE was not asked to consider it. If the group wished to include that reason in future applications, the HSE would do that.
The question is really interesting. It is clear that we must manage bracken—I am in no doubt about that. The question is whether Asulox is the right tool to use as part of the authorisation mechanism. That was the question at hand, not the broader question of whether we need to manage bracken, which is something that we all agree on.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
That has not been done in relation to the detections in Scotland in the past few years, because most of them have been residual and below the level that is a safety concern. There has been just one incident when the figure was above that level. Scottish Water has worked to manage that. There is no suggestion of undertaking a large trial, which would require us to put Asulam into the landscape.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
The Scottish Government has looked at close seasons in other countries in the rest of the UK, which are substantially different from here, and the reasons for those close seasons being in place. As you rightly said, the Scottish Animal Welfare Commission did not consider that changing the close season would make any difference, provided that all high standards of public safety and animal welfare are adhered to. By consulting with the groups that work in this space, we can understand that.
I know that there are some concerns, as raised by Mr Mountain, about the harassing of deer, but that goes back to the expertise and professionalism of stalkers and people undertaking that work. They have deer welfare at heart and if they feel that deer are being distressed or that there are welfare concerns, they should stop that action. I am sure that they would do so, because they have those concerns.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
The evidence was considered by the deer working group, which then made the recommendation to us, and we have accepted it. The evidence was analysed by the deer working group.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
It will not have to submit those authorisations any more.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
I am sorry; the forms are submitted to NatureScot.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
I remind the member that, as we have already discussed, all legal requirements for consultation were met. We did everything that we needed to do. In its letter, Scottish Environment LINK praised our efforts to make sure that we had fully engaged stakeholders on the matter.
People who manage their land want to have the choice about how they manage it, and Mr Mountain is correct in saying that some land management organisations are opposed to the removal of the close season for male deer. The instrument does not stop them from continuing to observe a close season. It is up to them to decide whether they wish to continue to do that.
We know that there is a demand from some land managers to manage deer out of season because deer of both sexes cause damage all year round. If managing the male deer is therefore part of handling those issues immediately, they need to be managed. Managing female deer also needs to be looked at, and two of the instruments that we have looked at today also affect female deer.
We have looked at three instruments today, but this one, in particular, is one small part of a larger approach to dealing with the overpopulation of deer, which, at high densities, cause commercial and environmental damage. The number of deer has increased so sharply in the past 30 years that we know that existing practice is simply not good enough and it is not going to get us there. We need to change existing practice. I hope that members will pass the motion to ensure that we remove this unnecessary piece of bureaucracy, so that we can give land managers those choices.
On the point about deer versus hares, as I said when I spoke to Ms Forbes, the big difference between how we manage deer and how we manage other animals is that deer are not under protected conservation status—there are too many of them. There are relatively few hares, so culling hares is a much more serious matter in terms of the survival of the species. Deer are not at any sort of risk. The member has accepted that deer numbers need to come down. The recommendations of the deer working group support that objective, and the Scottish Government is undertaking to enact the recommendations that were made by the independent body on the basis of the evidence that it gathered.
I am distressed that the member suggests that there would be indiscriminate shooting after all the conversations that we have had about how land managers want to manage their deer for good health and how skilled practitioners in the area are concerned about animal welfare. They must have the correct firearms certification and authorisation, as well as deer stalking certificates. We are talking about professionals who undertake important work. It is not right to accuse them of indiscriminate shooting, and I am distressed by that suggestion.
We can all agree that cull numbers need to go up. That might be distasteful to some people, but it is the case and it does, of course, mean that the amount of venison that will be available will also increase. That should be good for our venison market as well as being good for us if we can eat healthy meat nationally. I look forward to working with the venison industry and to helping it to develop in Scotland, because its success will be good for us all.
Rural Affairs and Islands Committee
Meeting date: 13 September 2023
Lorna Slater
We do not know how many land managers have been deterred from managing out of season because of the paperwork and administration requirements—