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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 1 August 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Grangemouth’s Industrial Future

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Lorna Slater

You set out some political intentions as well as some good intentions around outcomes, but I have not heard about a strategic plan. We need to identify sites and infrastructure, such as at Grangemouth. We need to be looking to the future and saying which sites will need to transition and which sites will need to be closed down. An actual plan is needed, instead of setting out intentions and hoping that we will go in the right direction. Will the UK be creating an energy strategy? We are chasing the Scottish Government to get its strategy published.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Lorna Slater

Convener, if it is helpful, I would be happy to summarise the final page into just two questions.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Lorna Slater

I have a cheeky supplementary question to Murdo Fraser’s question. Mr Carlaw, we have been speaking about effectiveness. Some of the evidence that the committee has taken about commissioners such as the Scottish Biometrics Commissioner shows that they do a great deal of wonderful work but that nobody ever reads it—it does not get fed into Government mechanisms. In addition to the challenges that you have outlined with the advocacy commissioners, which my colleagues have asked you about, I am interested in your thoughts on that aspect. In other words, when commissioners, the SPCB or the wider public sector are doing excellent work, how effectively is that work fed into Government mechanisms?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Lorna Slater

Yes. I have one more thing to follow up on but will do so after you.

10:00  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Lorna Slater

Brilliant.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Lorna Slater

As we have sought to understand the many and complex issues that we are talking about, some potential solutions have floated to the surface. I want to float three of them past you, just to understand whether there is an appetite for them and to give you the feeling of them.

If the problem is that the SPCB is overloaded, Bridgeside house is too full and there is a capacity problem in the Parliament, the first potential solution—I think it was the convener who highlighted it earlier, or maybe it was Murdo Fraser—would be to redefine some of the SPCB-supported public bodies and put them into the more general public body space, so that they are directly funded by the Scottish Government.

It seems that the creation of new commissioners is, in many ways, about trying to fix the gaps in a system when there have been scandals. People might see a need for a patient safety commissioner because they are reacting to a scandal, for example. The second potential solution might therefore be to give more proactive powers to existing bodies—the ombudsman could have wider investigatory powers, for example—with the intention of trying to prevent such scandals, rather than people feeling like they need a commissioner as a redress.

The third potential option that we have floated around, and I am aware that some other Parliaments have done this, is some sort of consolidation act of Parliament, whereby, for instance, the Scottish Human Rights Commission would have its remit substantially redrawn in legislation so as to incorporate powers and effectiveness.

The Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland has been held up to us as the gold standard of what a commissioner can and should be, but not all advocacy commissioners are defined in the same way. For example, the Scottish Human Rights Commissioner seems to have quite significant limitations on its legislative remit.

I am interested in your thoughts on those three options. Are there reasons why we should not be considering any of those, and do any appeal more? Are they the solutions to our problems?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Lorna Slater

Yes.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Lorna Slater

This committee will need to consider whether it makes recommendations on that topic if that work is already under way.

Another recommendation that the finance committee made to the SPCB was to

“explore ways in which it will seek to bring greater transparency to its governance and oversight arrangements ... This should include considering whether any material from internal assessments could appropriately be published for use by committees and others.”

Is that work under way?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Lorna Slater

That is superb. There were three recommendations from FPAC. I am going to ask for an update on those, because they relate to matters that this committee is also considering and I do not want to duplicate effort. Can you give us an update on the work of the SPCB to identify opportunities for sharing services and premises and achieving other back-office efficiencies?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Lorna Slater

That is brilliant. I will now ask the question that I am supposed to ask, which is about following up on recommendations that were made to the SPCB previously. The committee looked at the possibility of creating a central portal or location where members of the public could find more information. The Ethical Standards Commissioner wrote to the SPCB to ask whether the Parliament’s website could be updated to provide more information about the office-holders and how to contact them. Is that work in progress? Are you able to give us an update on that?