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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 22 December 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you. The committee’s role is to look at the potential structures, as opposed to any particular commissioner’s merits, because they will be decided on by the Parliament.

We have discussed how effective committees are in scrutinising SPCB supported bodies—how much time and bandwidth they have to spend with those bodies—but we have mentioned that several SPCB supported bodies do excellent work on really important things that is not fed into the Parliament at all. I am not even sure that we are using the bodies that we have effectively, in either direction. Do you have any thoughts about that?

Parliamentary committees are already having trouble scrutinising the SPCB supported bodies that we have. If there were more bodies, the committees would be spread even thinner. Equally, are you concerned that SPCB supported bodies are not having their fantastic work fed back into the Parliament? Would not the creation of more commissioners just make the level of scrutiny worse and reduce effectiveness?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Do Sarah Boyack or Jeremy Balfour have any comments?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I want to clarify something. I understood from one of the committee’s evidence sessions that one of the offices gets audited twice a year, but you are saying that that is not accurate and that it is audited only once a year.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Therefore, you do not recognise the process as a layering of external audits. Do you think that the issue is about the relationship between internal and external audits?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

That is fine. I wonder whether Colin Smyth wants to come in briefly on that point before I go to my next question.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Colin Smyth alluded to the idea of having a minister for X—that is, a minister to cover whatever advocacy we might be looking for. However, everyone is of the view that such things should be independent of Government. Is there any value at all in having, say, a minister for disabled people or a minister for older people to provide that complementary function and bring that advocacy into Government?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Thank you.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

I will need to get to the bottom of what I understood had been said.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

Are you aware of existing examples of shared audit services or functions in the public sector that could serve as a model for SPCB supported bodies, as you discuss in your written submission?

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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Lorna Slater

However, there might be some scope for officers to share internal audit functions and related matters.