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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

No, that is fine. The second part was about transparency and accountability, and I think that you covered that—unless you want to add more detail.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

For completeness, how are their budgets allocated and how is scrutiny of the Crown entities done?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Where does scrutiny of their performance and functions go?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Brilliant—thank you very much.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

So, for example, the rent for their premises would come out of their budgets. The premises are not provided directly by the Parliament or through Government buildings. Is that correct?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

One of the topics that we have been talking about is the constituent experience. If you have a problem—if something has gone wrong with a public service—where do you go? In Scotland, the question is whether you speak to the ombudsman or the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland. How does that work in New Zealand? If something has gone wrong, how does a New Zealand citizen know where to go? Is there a front page, a dashboard or a one-stop shop from which they can be correctly directed to the Ombudsman or the Human Rights Commission, for example?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

I have a question that is more for my own interest, if the convener will allow it.

One of the conversations that we have been having in the committee is about proactive and reactive work that commissioners do. The Ombudsman deals with something that has gone wrong, but whose job is it to do the research and have the foresight to see something before it goes wrong?

To put that in context, the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman, for example, can react to complaints that she has heard of. However, if she receives complaints about two local authorities, she does not have the powers to start an investigation into all local authorities. Even though she might have the idea that there is a more general problem, she does not have the power to examine it in a more investigative way with the intention of preventing future problems. Do you have any bodies that have that sort of proactive prevention role?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

I am jumping around a little bit, but I will go back to the convener’s point about budgets. You have explained a bit about the process of the Officers of Parliament Committee working annually to set those budgets. How is the transparency and accountability of those allocations achieved? You said that you could add more detail on that.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Understood. That is the direction that I was going to travel in on the scrutiny role.

I am also curious about independent Crown entities. One of the challenges that we face in Scotland is that we have a proliferation of SPCB-supported bodies, which are our equivalent of the officers of Parliament. That is the case in the public sector landscape in general, and we are trying to get our heads around it. Have you noticed the same phenomenon with your independent Crown entities? How do they fit into the system?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Lorna Slater

Dr Wilson, I will now get into the more practical operational questions about things such as shared offices, information technology systems and human resources support. I am curious about the kind of resources that are supplied to the officers of Parliament and the independent Crown entities and about whether they are expected to use common office space, HR support and so on.