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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 March 2026
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

That is very fiscally prudent of you, commissioner. I am not going to disagree with your approach.

In your introductory remarks, you mentioned the increase in activity. It all sounds as if things are ramping up and that there is quite a lot of pressure on your office. What operational or budgetary challenges are you expecting over the next year, and how is your office planning to respond to them?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

Can you share any specific examples of that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

Commissioner, I want to ask about the funding that you operate with currently. You are fully funded by the SPCB, but I see that there was a decision to surrender £80,000 to the corporate body. How has not just the £97,000 underspend but the surrendering of that £80,000 to the corporate body impacted on your financial position over the past year? What has been the overall impact on you and how you function?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

That helps with turnover and speeds everything up.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

If the move to a 35-hour week is, as you said, the equivalent of losing one full-time post, are you seeking to bring in another head?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Ethical Standards Commissioner

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

Perhaps more people need to take a look at how you work, commissioner.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

I have a question, minister. In England and Wales, they have found a compromise: they do not let prisoners vote unless they are released on a temporary licence. Why did the Scottish Government not seek some sort of compromise, such as that presented?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

Yes. This instrument is also about prisoner voting—these people are still detained.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

I have a statement that I want to make later. Is that okay, convener?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 5 March 2026

Sue Webber

I do, convener.

I will not be supporting this SSI today, because of my party’s long-standing opposition to allowing prisoners to vote, regardless of the circumstances of their incarceration. Individuals who are imprisoned as a result of breaking the law should not be able to vote, and I would extend that view to prisoners in the general population, not just those in mental hospitals.

I would also remind the committee of a number of cases of prisoners convicted of serious offences being given relatively lenient sentences due to the soft-touch justice guidance implemented by the Scottish National Party. As a result of that, we might be allowing individuals convicted of such serious offences to participate in our democracy.

The capacity of individuals detained on mental health grounds needs to be considered, too. Indeed, the Royal College of Psychiatrists in Scotland has said that

“voting rights should not be contingent on additional, specific assessments of capacity”.

At the very least, the committee should be given more detail on how capacity to vote will be assessed.

We have frequently been told that we need to allow prisoners to vote in order to comply with the ECHR. I think that, at this point, my position on the ECHR will be clear to the committee, but it is also worth highlighting the fact that the convention itself does not require prisoners currently serving custodial sentences to be given the vote, as is the case in Scotland. In England and Wales, a compromise was made, whereby prisoners released on temporary licence were permitted to vote, yet the SNP made no attempt to reach such a compromise here.

In summary, I do not think that the public elected any of us to enfranchise prisoners, and we do not need to agree to this SSI to comply with the ECHR. For those reasons, I will be voting against it today.