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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

That goes back to the convener’s point about the purpose of the bill.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

You said that there were a number of resignations before by-elections were triggered. Do you think that the process acts as a deterrent? You know what I mean when I say “deterrent”. It is almost a cost containment mechanism—the member knows that the game is up, to be blunt.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

Would the recall process that is proposed in the bill do a good job of balancing different considerations around the equal treatment of regional and constituency MSPs, considering how they are initially elected.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

Juliet, the previous panel mentioned that it could be seen as a stitch-up if the seat just went to the next person on the regional list. Those are their words and not mine. You spoke at the outset about transparency for politicians in general. What are your thoughts about that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

That is a warning for us, then.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

Is even considering taking the next person on the list perhaps a bit of a lazy way to find a solution? Lazy might not be the right word; it is the easiest way.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

Yes, and public perception is a big issue.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

I know that we have covered a bit of this in some of the discussion already. You have spoken about how the recall process works in other countries. The bill that Graham Simpson is introducing broadly seeks to replicate the principles and design of the Recall of MPs Act 2015. Does the experience to date of how that act has worked in practice suggest that it is a good approach? Dr Stanford, you said that there had been only four by-elections and six petitions. I will come straight to you, if that is okay.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

That is okay—I get that.

Dr Stanford, you said in your written submission that triggering the recall process could be

“open to abuse by what can be considered a ‘good reason’ for an absence. Such a move would need considerable safeguards to protect against highly concentrated pressure groups with vested interests”.

We all feel that on a regular basis; it seems to be how the world is working right now.

Dr Clark has already said a wee bit about the thresholds, but are the proposed criteria for triggering the recall process appropriate? Should other criteria be set to balance it all out?

I put that to you first, Dr Stanford.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Sue Webber

I like the term “casual vacancies”—I am enjoying that.