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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

So you are talking about circumstances in which there is a by-election or there is some other reason why a councillor becomes an MSP.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

My question is on the naming of the regions. Why have you chosen to make it less clear for the public by including “Lothians West” and “Lothians East” in the names, rather than just calling the regions, for example, “Edinburgh and East Lothian” and, similarly, “Central Scotland and West Lothian”? That would make it quite clear.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

But it is Edinburgh and East Lothian.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

You could have had Edinburgh on its own, like you have Glasgow on its own.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

You are thinking of an eight to 12-year plan, and Edinburgh is growing.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

That is fair, because the pace of change in the world is galloping ahead in so many different ways, so we need to be able to shift the dial.

You have already mentioned that politics will come into the process. We have heard that the parliamentary sanctions and the grounds for recall have the potential to be politicised. Will you speak a little bit more about that?

We have heard that it might come down to the fact that a political party might take the view that if a candidate is not—I will use this phrase—towing the line or the party line, it would be beneficial for the party to try to encourage something to happen to that particular MSP. I am being a bit cynical, but I am sure that you understand where I am going with this line of questioning. How can we protect from that but at the same time make sure that the process allows the recall to commence in a stable, sensible manner, rather than in a knee-jerk political way?

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

In one of your responses earlier, you mentioned parity of process, “as much as we can achieve it”. There have been a lot of questions and concerns about the costs, specifically for the regional recall and poll, and the fact that those could be in excess of £2.5 million. Given the concerns about costs that you just outlined, would that be good value for the public purse, and what might the perception be of that cost?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

All the evidence that the committee has taken has stated that there would be a grace period when a councillor is elected as an MSP, to allow them to carry on in the former role for a period of a year, give or take. I would support that, and I want to clarify that that is where your head is going, too.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

That is what I am trying to explore—where is your exception?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Dual Mandates

Meeting date: 12 June 2025

Sue Webber

I understand, now, where you are going, and I accept that. I was confused.