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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 May 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

I can bring in Iona Colvin, but I remind the panel that we are focusing on the children’s services element. We know that there is extensive work going on with the national care service across adult services, but we really need to drill down on children’s services, on which Stephanie Callaghan has questions. If we can pick up your questions now, Stephanie, that would be super.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

I will interject again here—sorry, minister. I wonder whether Miss Haughey might want to respond to that question before we move on.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

I think that we have that information, minister, but thank you for the offer. Ms Colvin’s answer explains some of that thread, which I know that we will pick up later with questions from Mr Marra.

Everyone who has come to the committee and presented evidence has told us that structural change is not the answer. Ross McGuffie from North Lanarkshire told the committee last week that

“Transformative change takes ... time ... Sometimes, we can end up reaching the next restructure before the current one has had a chance to get to where it needs to be.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 16 November; c 10.]

I know how complex the legislation around IJBs is, so I recognise that that is perhaps not the answer and that we need to do something. However, would it not be better to improve the current system and to take our time investing in what is taking place now rather than perhaps going through change of this magnitude? My concern lies in the huge structural change, which could mean that you focus on getting managers in place instead of focusing on those who are already working with children and families to deliver services.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

If the answer from Ms Colvin will respond to the specifics that Mr Marra is looking for, that would be helpful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

Miss Haughey, would you like to comment on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

You will, but Michael Marra has a follow-up question on kinship care before you move on to that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

I think that Ms Haughey might have an answer to Mr Marra’s question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

Michael Marra has questions about the complexities.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

We move to questions from Willie Rennie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 November 2022

Sue Webber

No, let us not—not today.