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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 25 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

The Scottish Sentencing Council has guidelines for sentencing our young people. They apply to a young person who is under the age of 25 at the time of entering a guilty plea or when they are found guilty of an offence. There have been some cases recently. Were those guidelines considered when the bill was drafted? If so, why does the bill not go further to provide consistency with regard to the age of a young person in the criminal justice system?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

It will be interesting to see how that develops.

We move to questions from Bill Kidd.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you for being so good with your time, minister. We move to questions from the committee. I hope, in the interests of time, that one person will be able to respond to each question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

I did not get a sense of how you would be evaluating MRCs, but, perhaps when you respond to Mr Doris’s supplementary, we might be able to pick out a little more on evaluating MRCs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

I believe that the minister responded to my question by saying that that matter would be considered.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

We now move on to questions regarding transport, from my colleague Ross Greer.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

Mr Kerr, can I come in? We heard a lot of evidence about the concerns. Minister, you have spoken about the long-term aspirations and the cost savings to society from the settlement. What we are saying is that, right now, there is no mechanism to transfer the savings from the justice system into local government, children and families and social work. What is the Government going to do to address that imbalance?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

Pam Duncan-Glancy did not quite get the answer to her second question, which was on funding. Maybe colleagues can pick that up in asking about the financial aspects.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

The committee heard from Social Work Scotland that it is “almost inconceivable” that police custody will not have to be used for under-18s—this is the important line—

“for a number of years to come.”—[Official Report, Education, Children and Young People Committee, 26 April 2023; c 39.]

How would you respond to that point? Will local authorities be expected to use secure care as an alternative to custody? If so, what are the cost implications of that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 3 May 2023

Sue Webber

If I may come back to you, Ms Nolan, does that mean that we can foresee that police custody will be used for under-18s for a number of years to come?