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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 February 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

I thank the witnesses for their time this morning. It was a very useful evidence session.

We will have a brief suspension to allow for a change of witnesses.

09:48 Meeting suspended.  

09:52 On resuming—  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Welcome back. Our second panel will be looking at how the changes proposed by the bill will be resourced and what that will mean for the key organisations delivering those changes. With that, I welcome Stephen Bermingham, head of practice and policy at Children’s Hearings Scotland; Jillian Gibson, policy manager in the children and young people team at the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities; Joanna Anderson, policy manager in the local government finance team at COSLA; Alistair Hogg, head of practice and policy at the Scottish Children’s Reporter Administration, or SCRA; and Ben Farrugia, director of Social Work Scotland.

We move straight to questions from members.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

As Stephen Bermingham’s microphone was not on, I put on the record that he said 12 to 18 months after royal assent. I had picked that up. Is that correct?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Stephen, do you want to come in on that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Alistair Hogg wants to comment, too.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

I see lots of nodding heads. We will finish on that note. Thank you very much, Ben—in fact, both Bens.

Once again, I would like to thank everyone for their time and contributions this morning. Our discussion has been extremely helpful. The public part of our meeting has now concluded and we will consider our final agenda item in private.

11:08 Meeting continued in private until 11:49.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you very much for your time this morning. [Interruption.] I am told that Pam Duncan-Glancy has a supplementary question that I had not spotted. Could you ask it briefly, please, Pam?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Does Alistair Hogg want to come in on that timeline thread?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

If Pam Duncan-Glancy does not mind, Stephanie Callaghan has a small supplementary question on that theme. We can go to her first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

I thank the panel for those comments and suggestions.

On that theme, the committee heard concerns at stage 1 that, in situations where a child on a compulsory supervision order containing a prohibition order might be at risk of harm, the proposed changes that we are looking at would put the onus on the child to avoid people and locations that might be harmful to them. However, the Scottish Government response that we received did not address those concerns. How might the proposals be amended to better ensure that the onus to avoid certain people and locations is not put on the child who is at risk of harm? Can you go first, Fiona?