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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

I see lots of nodding heads. We will finish on that note. Thank you very much, Ben—in fact, both Bens.

Once again, I would like to thank everyone for their time and contributions this morning. Our discussion has been extremely helpful. The public part of our meeting has now concluded and we will consider our final agenda item in private.

11:08 Meeting continued in private until 11:49.  

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you very much for your time this morning. [Interruption.] I am told that Pam Duncan-Glancy has a supplementary question that I had not spotted. Could you ask it briefly, please, Pam?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Does Alistair Hogg want to come in on that timeline thread?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

If Pam Duncan-Glancy does not mind, Stephanie Callaghan has a small supplementary question on that theme. We can go to her first.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

I thank the panel for those comments and suggestions.

On that theme, the committee heard concerns at stage 1 that, in situations where a child on a compulsory supervision order containing a prohibition order might be at risk of harm, the proposed changes that we are looking at would put the onus on the child to avoid people and locations that might be harmful to them. However, the Scottish Government response that we received did not address those concerns. How might the proposals be amended to better ensure that the onus to avoid certain people and locations is not put on the child who is at risk of harm? Can you go first, Fiona?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you. We now come to questions from Liam Kerr.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Pam Duncan-Glancy has a wee supplementary question, then we will move to Willie Rennie.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Stephen Bermingham, do you want to come in? You caught my eye there—you had better watch.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

As my questions relate specifically to social work, I will direct them to Ben Farrugia. Ben, you have already alluded to the fact that, although you have the money for social workers, you do not have the social workers there—if that makes any sense. What resources will be needed to enable social work teams to implement the bill’s changes, given the restrictions—or, I should say, challenges—that you have with regard to recruitment? We can then look at some solutions to the recruitment issue, if you do not mind.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you for sharing that. We appreciate the use of that example to flesh things out.