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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 November 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

That section is about legal aid, not the availability of lawyers. We are trying to find out whether that issue has been considered.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the 27th meeting in 2023 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee.

I am sorry—I am getting confused. I am going back in my notes.

The second item on our agenda is an evidence session with the Minister for Children, Young People and Keeping the Promise on the Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill. Alongside the minister are Scottish Government officials, whom I ask to introduce themselves.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I understand your comments, but we also have to remember our on-going secure care redesign project. Managing change is always a big issue and a concern to those who are working in the services. This is not about reducing the change; it is about two big changes happening at the same time. I am asking about the sequencing of that, not about putting stuff aside and it not happening. That is where my question lies in terms of that element.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I understand that they are separate, but what I am saying is that the people on the ground are managing the two. If you have the changes coming in from the hearings working group, the secure care redesign and this bill, and then you are talking about a Promise bill, that is a lot of change and it could all be happening at the same time.

Surely, when we have a stretched workforce that is under pressure in terms of delivery and numbers, we should be doing everything that we can to consider the whole picture. We hear a lot about holistic change from this Government. Let us take the opportunity to do that now and make sure that we are not putting undue pressure on those who are delivering vital services.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I call Liam Kerr.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Pam Duncan-Glancy and Michelle Thomson have supplementary questions on the lack of protection for victims.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

The voices are being quite specific in saying that social workers are overstretched and that there are serious issues with recruitment. A short-life working group will not help them right now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I will bring in Stephanie Callaghan on that question theme.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

Thank you, minister. We return to Liam Kerr.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 1 November 2023

Sue Webber

I thank the minister and her officials for their time this morning. That concludes the public part of our proceedings.

11:34 Meeting continued in private until 12:09.