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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 12 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

Good morning, and welcome to the second meeting in 2024 of the Education, Children and Young People Committee. Agenda item 1 is an evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Education and Skills on the budget for 2024-25 and on education reform. It is a pleasure to have you back, cabinet secretary. Alongside the cabinet secretary, from the Scottish Government, are Andrew Watson, director for children and families; Sam Anson, deputy director, workforce, infrastructure and digital; and Stuart Greig, head of the reform division. We welcome you all and thank you for your time.

Before we move to questions from members, I invite the cabinet secretary to make a brief opening statement on the budget for 2024-25. You have up to three minutes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

You mentioned the timeline. You came into post and, in November 2023, the Deputy First Minister then set out savings of £56 million in the further and higher education budget across demand-led programmes at the Scottish Funding Council. At last week’s meeting, I indicated to the Minister for Higher and Further Education that those savings were made in the further education budget but that, in fact, they affected both the further and higher education budgets. I would like that to be clarified on the record. The fact remains that it is unclear what those demand-led programmes were and where the savings came from. Can you let us know what programmes were affected? When the Scottish Funding Council was questioned about that £56 million at the Public Audit Committee this week, it was unable to identify those specific demand-led programmes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

I see that Pam Duncan-Glancy is looking to come in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

I understand that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

That is noted, cabinet secretary. I apologise for croaking—my voice is going.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

That would be helpful.

In our previous session, we talked about teacher contact time, and there was a bit of pressure from one of the members. It is a spend-to-save agenda item: investment in the technology could make a significant impact. As you have said, the pace of change in that sphere is mind-blowing.

I call Bill Kidd.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

We move to some final questions from Liam Kerr.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

As ever. Michelle Thomson has a question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

I will take a brief supplementary from Liam Kerr.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2024-25 and Education Reform

Meeting date: 17 January 2024

Sue Webber

I am heartened by what you have said, cabinet secretary. Going back to cosy conformity, how actively have you looked at diversity, particularly cognitive and cultural diversity, in the various roles that are in place?

The tradition is to have experts only in the chosen field, but the data tells us that bringing people in from other areas—as part of a mix, of course, because we need their expertise—can be highly effective. The data also tells us that it can be fairly disastrous to only involve people from certain sectors. I am thinking about the banking sector in 2008, for example. What active consideration have you given to the roles to which you might seek to appoint people or to refresh—without setting any hares running, obviously?