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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

I was going to talk about the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 first.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

Section 5 of the Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002 gives the power to add bodies for the purposes of freedom of information. A report is produced. This year’s report clearly stated that there had been no new designations. However, during the time that it covered, ScotRail and the Caledonian Sleeper service were brought under the act for the purposes of freedom of information. Why did you not avail yourself of the ability under the act to announce that they were part of the system?

09:45  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

I point out that the minister is here for the Scottish Government.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. It is both fortunate and unfortunate that the first experience that the Parliament has had of reconsideration is in respect of a bill that affects our younger generations. Indeed, I think that they have borne the brunt of the recent period of time, and I welcome the offer to reconsider, review and look into the matter. We will certainly take the minister up on that.

I thank the minister and his officials for attending today.

I have now received apologies from Annie Wells, which I put on the record—she has been unable to attend today, for reasons that I absolutely accept.

10:01 Meeting continued in private until 10:28.  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

I am glad that there is a level of confidence about that, given the importance of any amendment to electoral law. However, does the timetable take into account the registration of electors issue that we have discussed this morning? Does it take into account concerns that we have had over the role of artificial intelligence? Do you view the forthcoming elections bill as quite a tight bill, as is hinted at in some of the responses to the consultation? You have already mentioned provisions on 16 and 17-year-olds, and there are some strong arguments from that group and others about that.

Has your view of the extent of the bill changed, and is that so that we can get it in, hopefully, by the end of next year? I will not quote you on that—aside from the fact that this is in public. Do you still see the bill achieving what you hoped it would achieve when we first talked about the proposals, some 18 months ago?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

Thank you very much, minister.

I echo that. The committee has a very strong relationship with you, but there is also a very strong relationship at the clerking level with your officials in respect of the assistance that is given.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

I will delve into that, because that gets to the point. Good practice suggests that electoral legislation should be in place at least six months before it is first tried and tested in an election. We are aware of the period that is required in order to get a bill of any size through the Parliament, and we are getting very close to the point at which those two dates will become incompatible—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

I want to push you on that, because it is hugely important. There is pressure from both within and outwith this place with regard to an elections bill, but history shows us that rushed elections bills cause absolute chaos on the day.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

That moves us on nicely to the elections bill, which may well take up much of the committee’s time. I know that the minister will not mind my saying that yesterday, at the Conveners Group, where he gave evidence, genuine concern was expressed about the work levels of certain committees, particularly with regard to legislative instruments, along with other things.

As we approach the midway point in the current session of Parliament, and having heard your answers in respect of the Electoral Commission and the work that still needs to be done there, when can we expect the elections bill? Let us start with that one. Will it be tomorrow? [Laughter.]

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 23 November 2023

Martin Whitfield

I will dig into that a bit more. There seems to have been a historical view, rightly or wrongly, that there were procedural challenges with registering to vote, which was the reason that people were giving. However, some of the more current research suggests that the reasons are more attitudinal, with people actively choosing not to register to vote.

Has the Scottish Government had any thoughts, or done any work, on the two different aspects? Historically—as you said, minister—there has been a responsibility on politicians in that regard: go out and find those people, urge them to register to vote and then hopefully persuade them to vote for you. That seems to address very much the procedural side, and it is an argument that we have been having for decades.

However, to echo what you and Ivan McKee have said, the figures show more than that. The attitudinal question is this. Is there a group of people who do not want to put their heads over the parapet on that public document, or are you aware of any other attitudinal reasons that may positively lead people to not want to register?