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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
Again, can I ask you to centre yourself on your excellent laptop?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
Do you want to add to that, Marc?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
Thank you. I will bring in Meg Russell and then Brian Taylor.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
Sir David, do you want to come back in, before I hand over to Joe FitzPatrick for the last part?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
Do you want to come in, Professor Russell?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
Some people who return to a committee in different parliamentary sessions find the same questions that have been considered previously are still hanging in front of the committee.
I am slightly conscious of time but I want to finish by getting a snapshot of one word. We have talked around the concept but the word “trust”—where it should lie and which way it should go—has not actually been spoken out loud today. I will gently look around the panel to give the witnesses a couple of seconds to consider that.
I will come to Meg Russell first. Trust: how does it lie, where does it lie, and how should committees respond to, and stand up to, that requirement?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
Sir David, do you want to come in?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
I think that Meg Russell would like to come in.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
Let me press you on one area. What is the role of the spectacle of politics that we sometimes see in committees? We certainly see it in the chamber. In committees, what are the advantages and disadvantages of that? What is its role and importance?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 20 March 2025
Martin Whitfield
I will pursue that point. I am interested in the influential drivers of committee operations. You and Marc Geddes have talked about the relationships and the politicians who sit on a committee, irrespective of how they got there, but we also have our standing orders. We can instruct committees to operate in a certain way, and there has been discussion about the role of conveners, the role of the Government and party balance. Do we understand what would happen if, instead of it just being a case of looking at it and seeing what is operating, we had a stronger set of standing orders or stronger separation between the Government and committees? Is it just the people and the relationships, or is there something about the framework that can assist the relationships and the groups?
I do not know who would like to answer that terribly framed question. I will bring in David Natzler. What is your experience of the interrelationship between the rules and the members?