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I am grateful for the indication from the Government. Under those circumstances, I seek your leave to withdraw the amendment.

Amendment 218, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendment 219 not moved.

Sections 28 to 30 agreed to.

Schedule

Amendments 114 to 118 moved—[Natalie Don]—and agreed to.

Schedule, as amended, agreed to.

Section 31—Commencement

Amendment 220 not moved.

Sections 31 and 32 agreed to.

Long title agreed to.

Good morning to the committee and to those attending. Amendment 213 relates specifically to the provision of services that need to be made available to children in secure accommodation. I thank the minister for dealing with the context in her comments, which allows me to address some of the issues that appear to be of concern to the Government.

It is absolutely right that secure accommodation provides an integrated delivery model whereby individual assessments are made for each child, because those are unique individuals who are presenting in the system. Of course, secure accommodation has child protection policies in place. It is also true to say that some of the children who present have some of the most complex needs of any individual who comes into contact with the state.

With respect, however, I disagree with the Government’s assertion that amendment 213 is too open and could require the secure accommodation providers to have an on-going obligation to individual children. The reference in the amendment to “secure accommodation” is drawn from the Children’s Hearings (Scotland) Act 2011, which defines secure accommodation only as far as it extends to those providers accommodating young people. The 2011 act specifically says:

“for the purpose of restricting the liberty of children”.

The secure accommodation provider cannot, therefore, be held responsible beyond that obligation to secure the restriction of children’s liberty.

I respectfully disagree with the minister, therefore, that that would open an on-going obligation. If that was the argument, there would be an on-going obligation on primary schools, nurseries and local authorities, ad infinitum. There is a period of time in which an emanation of the state ceases to be the responsible party for a young person. That is defined and understood in almost all interactions between young people and emanations of the state.

Amendment 213 seeks to provide a baseline to provide an opportunity to achieve the intended outcomes, which we have discussed over the past three weeks and at stage 1. It would allow us to stand a chance of achieving a better outcome, because it would place on the secure accommodation provider a specific obligation in respect of those young people who come within that provider’s area of influence to take responsibility to ensure, where appropriate, the provision of

“advocacy services … education … emotional and mental health support … health care … support to maintain contact with the child’s family”

and

“transition and aftercare support.”

The minister confirmed in her submission that only some of those elements already sit within the secure accommodation provider’s responsibilities. The purpose of amendment 213 is to bring together a holistic overview to ensure that there is a baseline for every young person who comes within secure accommodation that will be looked at by the person who is engaged in the most important of tasks: restricting the liberty of the child. It should surely be for that secure accommodation provider to undertake that responsibility.

This set of amendments, which relate to data collection and reporting the outcome for children, are all intended to ensure, as we have discussed with a number of amendments, that the recognised outcomes that we seek from the bill are achieved and accounted for. I understand that there are challenges with regard to anonymisation and identifying individual young people. However, if we do not collect and analyse the data or have reports on the outcomes for our young people, there is a real risk of unforeseen consequences.

I am grateful to the Scottish Government, which has indicated a willingness to discuss the matter before stage 3. Therefore, unless other committee members have any questions, I do not intend to take this element of the debate much further forward.

I move amendment 218.

Do you want me to sum up on amendment 193 as well?

It is difficult, convener, but I understand. I will leave my comments there. My summing up will be much shorter.

Given the result of the division on amendment 195, I will not move it.

Amendment 196 not moved.

Amendment 197 moved—[Martin Whitfield].

What is the balance between young people who are not in secure accommodation but are identified as needing secure accommodation and those who have reached 18 but might need to stay in secure accommodation? What is the balance between the push to get in and the need to stay in as young people travel past their 18th birthday?

I am conscious of the committee’s time, so I will try to make my comments as short as possible.

Given that the purpose behind the amendments that I have lodged has, in some cases, been addressed already by the minister, I would suggest that, if the minister is open to this, I will just ask questions for her to respond to instead of making a submission. That approach might facilitate my decision on whether to move the amendments.

First of all, I welcome the Government’s amendment 105. On amendment 207, in my name, which relates to alternatives to detention of children, the minister is right to suggest that it sets out a general requirement instead of specifically addressing any individual act, which would be completely inappropriate given the nature of assessment from the individual’s point of view. That said, is the minister confident or certain that the reporting provisions that she has already outlined and the requirements under UNCRC mean that this particular information will be made available annually to the public? I realise that it might not come specifically from the Scottish ministers but will instead be found in a variety of places.

I am very grateful. Let me rephrase the question. Is it the Government’s intention to review and republish what started as the 2017 guidance as soon as possible, given how important restorative justice is not just in relation to the bill but in the wider context across Scotland? Will the Government use its best endeavours to achieve that? Is it happy to do that?

I am very grateful for those assertions.