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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 16 June 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Good morning, and welcome to the eighth meeting of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee in 2025. We have received apologies from Ruth Maguire, and I welcome Rona Mackay, who is attending as a committee substitute.

The first agenda item is a decision on whether to take in private agenda item 3, which will be a discussion of the evidence that we are going to hear today. Do members agree to take that item in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

I remind people—very early in this committee meeting—that I am conscious of the time.

To address the point that you have raised, Willie, about the separation between legislative scrutiny and inquiry scrutiny in other Parliaments, do you think that it would be possible for the same members to sit with two different hats on in two different committees? A committee could sit as a legislative committee, where there would be one view, but, separately and distinctly, it could sit as an inquiry committee. It could be the same people, in the same room and in the same slot, but a different role could be identified for the two meetings. Might that aid what you have talked about in relation to leaving hat, rosette and club at the door?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is a good answer. How about you, Ross?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

It is nice to lift the lid on the dark actions that happen behind the scenes. That will bring me to another issue, but, before I get to that, I will ask something else.

This committee inquiry does not look specifically at the distribution of committees and the choice that happens right at the start, but that is an interesting aspect. You mentioned education, Douglas. Willie, what is the most important committee from the Scottish Liberal Democrat point of view?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is good.

I want to go back to the topic of this particular set of questions, which is conveners and whether there would be any advantage in electing them. Very foolishly, I now seem to have two parts to my closed question, but I would like some closed answers to it.

The first part is simple: would a convener have additional value if they were elected by the chamber? I am not talking about altering how parties choose their conveners or the discussions that Douglas Ross referred to with regard to parties choosing committees; it would be about the mechanics of conveners being elected by the chamber rather than how they are chosen at the moment—I will just put the lid back down on the dark parts of that. Would such an approach give conveners enhanced value or enhanced power, and—this is now a three-part question—would it assist with the cohesion in a committee if its members and the convener knew that they were there because of an election that was open to the chamber, if I can use the word “chamber” for the moment?

Does anyone want to kick off with that instead of our constantly going along the line in the same direction? I see that everyone has put their heads down—this is like primary school.

09:45  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

I know that this sounds very rude, and I have no intention of being rude—

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

I welcome our second panel, on which we have Jamie Hepburn, the Minister for Parliamentary Business; Steven Macgregor, head of the parliament and legislation unit at the Scottish Government; and Ailsa Kemp, parliament and legislation unit team leader at the Scottish Government.

Thank you for your patience, minister. We will move straight to questions, so I will throw you in the shark pit and invite Rona Mackay to start.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

In essence, should there be more transparency around the witness list? In the light of what we have heard from Ross Greer and others on responsibility, should committee members be genuinely part of that decision making?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Do you think that the vehicle of an election potentially allows individuals, as Ross Greer has indicated, to say how the committee is going to be run, both to allow themselves to take off the rosette and to set themselves the standards against which they would be tested if they were elected as convener?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Certainly not.