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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
If I absolutely accept your answer to that, minister, do you see the role of an elected convener—a parliamentarian—as being a different pathway for someone who comes to this place?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
Yes, absolutely.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
You have been very open about this, minister, but it is right and very fair to note that a lot of the committee’s work, such as this inquiry, is done on the Parliament’s behalf, and I welcome the fact that you have said that you would support whatever decision the Parliament reaches.
One interesting aspect of this committee inquiry is the fascinating interaction between the Government and committees. We managed to get the parties to lift the lid on certain dark secrets about what happens under the surface—they might regret that when they look back on their evidence, but we will see; I am also placing an advert for people to look at that evidence.
One thing that I want to concentrate on is the value of having an elected convener. Unless I have misunderstood this, the Scottish Government, in essence, does not have a view on that, because it will address what the chamber says. However, from the Scottish Government’s point of view, would having someone who is very openly identified as representing a committee aid any of the aspects of discussions that happen, behind the scenes and at an official level, to steer things one way or the other? Would having someone who has the chamber’s authority to be a committee convener aid the interaction between the Scottish Government and that committee?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
As always, there is an opportunity outside the formal inquiry to send us information. I will gently drag us back to the world of party politics. Sorry, Emma.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
Willie, you have three seconds. [Laughter.]
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
Would you go as far as to say that it would add not just strength but legitimacy?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
In a sense, proportionality has been reached in your committee in that all but one of the parties’ voices are around the table, but the proportionality that you need for the voting balance is not a problem for your committee. I am not inquiring as to your committee’s internal workings, but has the fact that the issues will not come down to a vote assisted in the environment that the committee is working in?
10:30Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
Can I draw just us back to—
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
So, members would get an insight into not just why an individual was interested in that committee, but also—you have described this eloquently—the process and the approach, and the empathy, that they would bring as convener. In that way, members would understand, even before the committee started, the sort of committee that it would be, and you think that that would be to the benefit of both the chamber and the wider audience.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 15 May 2025
Martin Whitfield
Good morning, and welcome to the eighth meeting of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee in 2025. We have received apologies from Ruth Maguire, and I welcome Rona Mackay, who is attending as a committee substitute.
The first agenda item is a decision on whether to take in private agenda item 3, which will be a discussion of the evidence that we are going to hear today. Do members agree to take that item in private?
Members indicated agreement.