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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 April 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2025 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I have received apologies from Ruth Maguire. I welcome Rona Mackay as her substitute. I understand that Annie Wells is running slightly late. We will see whether she makes it. If not, she extends her apologies as well.

Before we turn to our main agenda item, I note for the Official Report that, further to our meeting on 20 February, the committee has agreed to re-accord recognition to the cross-party group on Taiwan following further examination of records regarding the group’s compliance with the code of conduct.

Our first item is a decision on whether to take in private item 3, which is a discussion on the evidence that—I hope—we are about to hear. Does the committee agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

If such work was done earlier in whatever process we are talking about, from that early sharing of postbags to the role of petitions, we would have the advantage of being able to say, “This Parliament is prioritising you, the public, and your issues.” However, that interesting idea of a committee reaching out much earlier to ask what the public would like us to do would be helpful for doing that, too. Would that be a fair conclusion to draw? I hope so—no pressure.

09:30  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. There have been a number of questions and discussions about the balance between the expertise of MSPs and the specialism that sits around them. As Tom Caygill pointed out, there is a value in the institutional memory that MSPs sometimes have of the journey that a piece of legislation has taken. However, as Cristina Leston-Bandeira pointed out, there are experts from the public who can, all the way through, offset the need for specialism. As Ken Hughes said, perhaps we want specialists not to make the decisions but to give the evidence.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

You are the bellwether in the seminar, Tom.

Cristina, you have already mentioned the Danish Parliament, which is not dissimilar to the Scottish Parliament. Are there any other examples of places that we can look at to see the importance of the cultural connection in committees as one piece of evidence that a committee is successful?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I will go back—I am sorry, Paul, do you want to come in?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I will not put that to the committee at the moment, if that is all right. I am conscious of the time, so we will move on to the questions on conveners.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I thank the witnesses very much for their contributions today. I reiterate my comment that, if thoughts come to you afterwards, even while you are on the way out today, you should please feed them back to the clerks.

That brings the public part of the meeting to a close.

10:57 Meeting continued in private until 11:16.  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. Interestingly, you talked about the resource imbalance. If there were unlimited resources, we could say, “Great, let’s have a massive Parliament and a massive Government.” However, is there something in the procedures about the timing of things? Could resource be created by lengthening the time between things?

We are looking at committee effectiveness. Part of that is to do with when committees get bills to scrutinise. Is there something to be said for looking at that wider issue? You mentioned the four-year session. We are now in the fourth year and approaching the fifth year of our session of Parliament. That latter stage is when a bulk of legislation always comes through, which is understandable. Is it worth looking at those timeframes and making them more explicit in order to balance out things? Would it be reasonable for a Government to have to operate under that constraint?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

I am sure that we will come to that in the range of issues that we want to talk about.

In our previous evidence session for our inquiry, there was an interesting discussion about whom committees have a responsibility to. There was also a fascinating discussion about the perspective of the public being made front and centre in the work of committees, particularly with regard to scrutiny.

I have a broader question for all the panel members. Is there a view that the Scottish Parliament is achieving the prioritisation of public issues over party-political issues and the subjective issues of MSPs? Are we giving enough weight to what is worrying the public?

Ken Hughes, do you want to chip in?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

We have an outward-looking vehicle that reaches out to the public: the Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee. By many accounts, it is well received and effective. Do we need to take the next step, which is to use the skills that we have to be outward-looking in involving the public—including in the Parliament building—and mine that resource for the purpose of bill scrutiny at a much more specific individual committee level? Would that assist?