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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 December 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

It requires cultural change.

Annie Wells joins us online.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

Correspondence with the royal family?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

One thing to consider is the balance between primary legislation, secondary legislation and non-legislative processes. David, do you have any comments about the balance that has been struck in the bill? You have described the bill as a kind of scaffolding for what goes forward. Are you content that it will allow us to continue to modernise without having to wait for potentially 20 years-plus for more legislation?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

For our second panel, we are joined by Graeme Dey, Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans, who is supported by the Scottish Government officials Jill McPherson, head of the freedom of information unit, and Ross Grimley from the legal directorate. I welcome you all to the committee. Minister, I understand that you would like to make a brief opening statement, and I am more than happy for you to do that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

Excellent. Thank you very much for that opening statement, minister.

Would it be right to say that the Government now recognises that the time is right for some changes that can be achieved only through primary legislation?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

We are discussing almost the same questions about what freedom of information means that we were being asked 22 or 24 years ago, before the first legislation. You have summed it up nicely, Jill, in that there needs to be a balance.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

Absolutely.

Before I bring in Katy Clark, I have a couple of questions for you, minister, about the change in the technological field, even since we started scrutinising the bill and certainly over the past 20 years, particularly in relation to the AI applications that are available now. We are potentially entering an area where we can use AI to mine publicly available data or data that may exist in a public form in one organisation but not in others. If we are optimistic, that may take us strides forward in freedom of information and in what information is available.

I can think of cases about whether councils knew about potholes, for example. Responses to freedom of information requests suggested that the council knew about them only once in one department, whereas AI suggested that 20 different departments knew about the same pothole. Technology is making available information that is not connected up within organisations. What is your view about how we can encompass that in the changing world of FOI?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

It is an easy one to finish with.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

I have another question to ask before you move on from that, Ruth. One thing that has come up is the fact that the actual request can change in the 20-day period, which means that what is finally answered is sometimes very different from what was initially asked, partly because some information will have been delivered. How do you see the interaction between what are effectively new freedom of information requests arising in that period and the risk that the pause could be undermined because the request is treated as being new, which triggers a fresh 20-day period?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

But that sensitive information is already protected.