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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 December 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Or towards shifting the d’Hondt balance in other areas of the Parliament, so that other parties can pick up the slack that the Government cannot fulfil.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Does that sit comfortably with the fact that we also elect a Presiding Officer and Deputy Presiding Officers?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Our second agenda item relates to our inquiry into the effectiveness of committees. The inquiry seeks to find out whether changes to the Parliament’s procedures and practices would help committees to work more effectively. We have taken evidence from a wide range of witnesses, who have provided both practical and academic expertise about the operation of committees. We held a facilitated discussion with the Conveners Group and have gathered written evidence via a public call for views and from other legislatures, parties and committees.

Today, we have an opportunity to explore the subject with the political parties and then with the Scottish Government, to find out their views on a range of themes and issues that have been raised during the course of our inquiry, which will help to inform our conclusions and the recommendations in our report.

We are joined today by our committee adviser, Dr Danielle Beswick. I also welcome Douglas Ross MSP from the Scottish Conservative and Unionist party; Willie Rennie MSP, representing the Scottish Liberal Democrats; Ross Greer MSP of the Scottish Green Party; Karen Adam MSP, representing the Scottish National Party; Rhoda Grant MSP from the Scottish Labour Party; and Ash Regan MSP, representing Alba.

I am keen to emphasise that we are seeking parties’ views on the questions that we will pose. Given that we have a large number of witnesses, I am keen, wherever possible, for both questions and answers to be concise—which may be one of the recommendations from our committee inquiry.

I will throw you all straight into the den by handing you over to Rona Mackay, who has some questions.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Okay. Rhoda, how are conveners chosen in Scottish Labour?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Thank you. How about you, Karen?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Which do you think is the most important committee?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

In essence, your committee’s value is in the fact that what comes before it covers a whole load of priorities, including subjects that other committees deal with. The overarching part gives it its importance.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

We come to my last question—I thank you for your time and, indeed, your patience this morning, minister.

Looking at the gender-sensitive audit, there is—rightly—great pressure for balance even just on a gender basis. One of the challenges on which we have heard a substantial amount of evidence—you have hinted at it, too—is that the size of a Government dictates the availability of its back-bench members to facilitate all the other parliamentary roles. The current Government—rightly, and as Scotland would expect—operates a gender-balanced Cabinet across the ministerial portfolios. How do we square that with the challenge of achieving the same in the Parliament? That becomes incredibly difficult, even in the sense of setting a threshold of 40 per cent, when the number of people of the correct gender are simply not there.

The challenge is first occasioned by the make-up of those who are returned to this place. We had an interesting discussion with the parties about their responsibility in that regard. However, once members are in this place and the pool is fixed, the gender balance of the Scottish Government makes it very much harder to achieve the same in Parliament. Which should take priority? What is your view on that conundrum?

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Absolutely, yes.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

If I absolutely accept your answer to that, minister, do you see the role of an elected convener—a parliamentarian—as being a different pathway for someone who comes to this place?