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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Yes. I go back to the fundamental reasons for seeking to end dual mandates, namely that it is rightly considered that roles such as councillor, MP and MSP are full-time jobs and that we expect the individuals who fulfil those roles to give them their full-time commitment. The discussions that we have had about the financial side relate to the practical implementation of one of the consequences, whereby individuals benefit—I use the word “benefit”, although I doubt that any of them feel that it is a benefit in this sense—from receiving, in effect, two salaries for a period of time. That is the policy decision in relation to what we are trying to achieve today, is it not?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Who will take responsibility for the monitoring?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Our second item of business is evidence on three Scottish statutory instruments that relate to the issue of dual mandates. Members will recall that, earlier in the parliamentary session, the committee considered a petition that related to dual mandates, and we asked about the issue in our stage 1 scrutiny of the Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill. Amendments to the bill at later stages led to the SSIs that are before us. For our consideration of these SSIs, we are joined by Graham Simpson, who lodged the amendments.
We will have the opportunity today to take evidence from Graeme Dey, the Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans, before we consider whether to recommend to the Parliament that the regulations be approved. I welcome Graeme Dey to the meeting and to his new ministerial position. From the Scottish Government, I also welcome Ailsa McKeever, from the Parliament and legislation unit; Iain Hockenhull, head of the elections team; and Jordon McGrory from the legal directorate.
Before we move to questions, I invite the minister to make an opening statement.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Thank you. Before we move to questions, there are a number of declarations of interest.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
For clarification, minister, with regard to the proposals before the committee in these three SSIs, two have a remuneration deduction that relates to the MSP salary. Can you confirm that discussions have taken place with the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body about the consequences of the SSIs? Ailsa McKeever, I think that you suggested that that is the case, but I would like it on the record, because if we have an unresolved problem in one area that you are asking others to act on, that might raise a concern about the SSIs that are being presented to the committee as a formula for arriving at what was carried through unanimously in the legislation. Therefore, is it the case that there have been discussions with the SPCB and that the practical provisions in relation to how any deductions take place would fall to it?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
I have a couple of questions relating to our fellow committee, the Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee, and its responses—and, indeed, the committee notice that was given in the chamber about, at a higher, generic level, the quality of some of the drafting that is coming out of the Scottish Government at the moment.
Ironically, the matters before us today go back to pay—it is funny how money is so important—and the tension that exists between the Scotland Act 1998 and the chosen wording in the SSIs. Minister, before I delve into what level of confidence you have that the SSIs comply with the 1998 act, can you explain why we ended up in a position whereby different terminology was used, which certainly caused tension for the DPLR Committee?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
I am not asking for the publication of legal evidence—which politicians seem to ask for at the drop of a hat—but is your position supported by legal advice?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
I would say—tongue in cheek—that it is because there has been a lack of clarification that the question arose in the first place. You have put it on record that the Government is confident that the provision will stand the test, perhaps even a judicial test, and that you have advice that supports that view.
Does any other committee member have any other questions before I turn to a colleague who is joining us today?
Just for the record, I note that the 14-day period in respect of being a member of the House of Lords is a period of time that has been chosen, in essence, so that someone in such a position can resign. Is the Scottish Government confident that there are no circumstances that may exist where it would be impossible for an individual to resign within 14 days, for example if the House of Lords is not sitting between a general election and the King’s speech?
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
Excellent.
Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee
Meeting date: 2 October 2025
Martin Whitfield
The deadline for reporting is 27 October. As we have nothing further to do in public, I bring the public part of the meeting to an end.
10:19 Meeting continued in private until 10:34.