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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 December 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

I want to pick up Ben Stanford’s comment about whether the electorate would be concerned about not having a choice. That goes back to the question of who is being punished and what the role of recall is. Is it about an individual MSP—irrespective of how they came to the Parliament—behaving in a way that is unacceptable, or is it about punishing a political party?

Do you have any confidence that, if the process was specifically and openly about dealing with an MSP whose behavioural choices are such that they should not represent people, the challenge in respect of an electorate just wanting to punish a political party would be less of a concern? Alternatively, are those two issues just so intertwined that we cannot differentiate between them?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Another challenge is that, with a petition, it might be difficult to identify who is doing the advertising and the leafleting to urge people to sign it.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is fine. I will pass over to Rona Mackay.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

It is certainly not a matter on which we are taking evidence for the bill.

I thank Ben Stanford, Alistair Clark and Nick McKerrell for their attendance today. If any thoughts come to you after the meeting, please feel free to reach out and write to us. Similarly, I hope that, if we have any questions for you, you will reciprocate with a response—unlike Mr Schwarzenegger, who is not on the witness list for the bill, perhaps unfortunately from Graham Simpson’s point of view.

I suspend the meeting for a changeover of witnesses.

10:14 Meeting suspended.  

10:19 On resuming—  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

So, you have a concern, but you have a level of confidence that, with amendment and structure, that could be offset and protected against. Certainly, monitoring of the legislation would allow it to be revisited, if necessary.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Willie, can I come to you, both on public education and on education for individuals who are elected members?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

So, you support what Annabel Mullin said, which is that elected individuals must clearly understand the expectations and the consequences that flow from not meeting them. However, you are saying that, in reality, the opportunity will only exist to educate the public more about the recall process and the reason for it when it interfaces with the public.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Good morning, and welcome to the ninth meeting in 2025 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I have received apologies from Ruth Maguire, and I welcome Rona Mackay as her substitute.

Our first agenda item is a decision on taking business in private. Item 3 is consideration of the evidence that we will hear today, and item 4 is consideration of our draft annual report. Are members content to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is excellent. I will explore the 10 per cent level, which has been mentioned in a couple of answers. Westminster chose that level, and there would be parity with it in a first-past-the-post constituency. Given the different electoral methodologies to elect people to the Scottish Parliament, is it worth our looking at the idea that 10 per cent might not be the correct level? What should we consider in deciding the correct level?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

We will come to that. I am looking at the constituency situation and the 10 per cent threshold.

Ben, do you want to add anything to that?