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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 19 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

Good morning, and welcome to the fifth meeting in 2025 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I have received apologies from Ruth Maguire. I welcome Rona Mackay as her substitute. I understand that Annie Wells is running slightly late. We will see whether she makes it. If not, she extends her apologies as well.

Before we turn to our main agenda item, I note for the Official Report that, further to our meeting on 20 February, the committee has agreed to re-accord recognition to the cross-party group on Taiwan following further examination of records regarding the group’s compliance with the code of conduct.

Our first item is a decision on whether to take in private item 3, which is a discussion on the evidence that—I hope—we are about to hear. Does the committee agree to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

If such work was done earlier in whatever process we are talking about, from that early sharing of postbags to the role of petitions, we would have the advantage of being able to say, “This Parliament is prioritising you, the public, and your issues.” However, that interesting idea of a committee reaching out much earlier to ask what the public would like us to do would be helpful for doing that, too. Would that be a fair conclusion to draw? I hope so—no pressure.

09:30  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 3 April 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. There have been a number of questions and discussions about the balance between the expertise of MSPs and the specialism that sits around them. As Tom Caygill pointed out, there is a value in the institutional memory that MSPs sometimes have of the journey that a piece of legislation has taken. However, as Cristina Leston-Bandeira pointed out, there are experts from the public who can, all the way through, offset the need for specialism. As Ken Hughes said, perhaps we want specialists not to make the decisions but to give the evidence.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Martin Whitfield

Your two insights and all the insights from the witnesses today have been very valuable and incredibly interesting.

I thank you all for your time this morning. If there are any other thoughts, particularly from Meg Russell, whom I dropped in at the deep end with that last question, or if there is anything that you would like to add, “just phone the clerk”—to use Brian Taylor’s phrase—as a way in. Thank you very much.

10:42 Meeting continued in private until 11:14.  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Martin Whitfield

Are we seeking free media training at this point?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Martin Whitfield

Sir David, do you have a comment, before I hand back to Rona?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Martin Whitfield

We are ahead of the game on that—well, at the front of it. Joe, did you want to come in?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Martin Whitfield

Sir David, you can reassure your friend that some questions are probably already in the post to him.

As I am the convener and I am speaking, I am going to do that thing of reminding myself that we are short of time. I will bring in Meg Russell, and I will then hand over to Annie Wells.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Martin Whitfield

I want to move on to the next topic, which is expectations of committees and whose expectations of committees we should pay attention to. What is the academic understanding of and knowledge about the effectiveness of committees and the members on them, or is that an iterative area of study? We have made reference to very substantial reports that have looked at many different committees. How well do we understand the questions that we are asking?

09:30  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Committee Effectiveness Inquiry

Meeting date: 20 March 2025

Martin Whitfield

Do you want to comment, Meg?