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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 November 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

Is your concern that Parliament could not create a process that would stand up in court, or is it a more prosaic concern that the resources available to Parliament to undertake the sort of inquiry that is needed fall far short of those available to the Scottish Government?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

What is the Scottish Government’s view on approaches that would lead to improvements in the freedom of information world? What is the balance between primary legislation, secondary legislation and non-legislative approaches?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

David, you talked about the changing position of AI, and you rightly pointed out that it is in a very different place now from where it was when the bill was first considered. Do you have any fears about technology effectively allowing for information to be hidden? Is that a genuine concern? Is it something that we should be worried about and that the bill can address or should we be a bit more optimistic about technology, because new technologies such as AI might make it incredibly difficult to hide data and information?

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

I could sarcastically suggest that 20 years is a long period, but I will not.

Jill McPherson, can you offer us an insight into any non-legislative solutions?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

It requires cultural change.

Annie Wells joins us online.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

Correspondence with the royal family?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

One thing to consider is the balance between primary legislation, secondary legislation and non-legislative processes. David, do you have any comments about the balance that has been struck in the bill? You have described the bill as a kind of scaffolding for what goes forward. Are you content that it will allow us to continue to modernise without having to wait for potentially 20 years-plus for more legislation?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

For our second panel, we are joined by Graeme Dey, Minister for Parliamentary Business and Veterans, who is supported by the Scottish Government officials Jill McPherson, head of the freedom of information unit, and Ross Grimley from the legal directorate. I welcome you all to the committee. Minister, I understand that you would like to make a brief opening statement, and I am more than happy for you to do that.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

Excellent. Thank you very much for that opening statement, minister.

Would it be right to say that the Government now recognises that the time is right for some changes that can be achieved only through primary legislation?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Freedom of Information Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 November 2025

Martin Whitfield

We are discussing almost the same questions about what freedom of information means that we were being asked 22 or 24 years ago, before the first legislation. You have summed it up nicely, Jill, in that there needs to be a balance.