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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 June 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Following on from that, I would say that another aspect of this is the money that is spent. With some of the petitions that make it to Westminster, parties have put enormous resource into ensuring that the 10 per cent threshold is reached. Do we need to take that issue into account? Obviously, that might not be dealt with in primary legislation, but there is a question about how much money is thrown at recalls. In some of the examples that you have shared from the US, those who backed petitions with a high level of resource achieved changes that might not otherwise have occurred. What level of credit, credence and thought should we give to that issue at this stage?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

So, make it a separation at that point.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Is that a comment about your bill or about this committee? In any case, I am more than happy to take the flavour of the witnesses’ views.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Are there any other comments?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. As always, it is the detail that causes the problem.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Do you have any concerns, or see any potential problems, with the conflict between the methodology in the bill, which is effectively direct, and the representative element? Should we be concerned enough to say that we should never let the two mix, or are you confident that there is scope for both in proportion?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

It is not a dynamic that we are used to in our democracy.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

Following on from that, I would suggest that absence is an example of a potentially political, internal or behavioural choice by an MSP. I do not sense strong disagreement to that view, but there is a range of views from the witnesses as to whether it should be included in the bill as a trigger for a recall process. Someone is bound to suggest that to me, so I will seek your views independently of this place.

It goes back, in part, to Emma Roddick’s point about proportionality. Should the bill consider what happens if an MSP chooses to change or leave their political party—or, to give an entire view of the matter, if they are expelled—or, again, should the internal mechanics of this place deal with that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

If it is short.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Scottish Parliament (Recall and Removal of Members) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2025

Martin Whitfield

I welcome everyone to our second evidence session. Annabel Mullin, director of communications, Elect Her, joins us online. In the room, we have Juliet Swann, nations and regions programme manager, Transparency International UK, and Willie Sullivan, director, Electoral Reform Society in Scotland. Good morning and welcome to you all. If you wish to answer a question—as I always say, there is no necessity to do so—type R in the chat if you are online, or indicate to me if you are in the room, and I will bring you in. We continue to be joined by Graham Simpson, who is the member in charge of the bill.

We will kick straight off with questions. I will start with an overarching question: do you support a recall mechanism for MSPs?