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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

Good morning, and welcome to the 20th meeting in 2024 of the Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee. I have received no apologies.

The first agenda item is for the committee to decide on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Agenda item 3 is consideration of the evidence on the Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill.? Agenda item 4 is consideration of correspondence from the Parliamentary Bureau on allocation of time for Opposition business. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

Thank you very much for that opening statement, minister.

I refer to the two letters that the committee has received from you, the more recent of which clarified—as you have confirmed today—that the postponement should be for a maximum of four weeks. Have you any concerns about using the words “minimum” or “maximum”, given the challenge that was indicated in evidence that we heard, which said that at least four weeks would be needed to rejig the machinery of election if it were to take place safely and securely? What consideration have you given to the period being set at four weeks, or to using wording other than “minimum” and “maximum”, to meet the evidence that we heard, which was that it would be difficult in practice to organise an election in a period shorter than four weeks?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

Would it be fair to say that setting the period at four weeks, irrespective of the cause, might be too restrictive? We seem to have agreement that two weeks would allow insufficient time, so we are in an interesting bidding war between those who are in favour of two weeks and those who are in favour of four weeks. The question is whether that in itself would cause us problems.

Are you prepared to go away and discuss that with the people who gave evidence, to see whether there can be agreement, in principle, on whether four weeks is the right time, or on what the wording should be? I am concerned about use of the word “maximum”, because it means that there could be a one-day postponement, which would cause chaos. I am similarly concerned about use of the word “minimum”, because the period might need to be shorter than four weeks.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

Excellent. Thank you, minister. I will hand over to the more-than-capable hands of Oliver Mundell for the next section of questioning.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. May I ask for clarification with regard to the relevant stakeholders that the Scottish Government has engaged with on the specific matter of the sex offenders notification requirements and disqualification? Who have you engaged with? I do not want to assume anything, but I imagine that Police Scotland has had an input, along with criminal justice social workers and even the human rights bodies. Who have you reached out to and who has fed back?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

As I said, we will probably encompass those questions in our correspondence.

My other question relates, ironically, to next-day counts. Should we continue to count overnight, or should we give the staff a break so that they come back the following morning slightly more refreshed? In correspondence, you talked about reaching out for the views of the Scottish Parliament. To go back to where we started today, is that the Scottish Parliament as a corporate body or the Parliament as made up by the members? Where are you with that consultation?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

Excellent.

As members have no further comments, is there anything that you would like to add, minister?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. I might have been slightly surprised had anything further been in existence because, at the moment, it is a living document, and I know that you need to reach out to various people on that.

There seems to be agreement that a corporate body is the right legal entity. When it comes to the finance for that corporate body, you point out that the intention would be to fund it in the same way as the Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 sets out—namely, that it would be a reimbursement to the Electoral Management Board rather than, for the sake of clarity, something like the process that our commissioners have, whereby they present a budget for approval. Are you confident that that funding model will be satisfactory for the future?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

That leads me on to my next question. What discussions have you had with the Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body, rather than the Parliament itself, about that? Are you able to share its views on taking on another body?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Scottish Elections (Representation and Reform) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 September 2024

Martin Whitfield

If no one else has any comments, I will pass over to Ruth Maguire.