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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 December 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

The one outstanding period of time relates to councillors. The longer exception in that regard is a response to an understandable concern about multiple by-elections occurring following a Holyrood election. However, 372 days is a considerable period of overlap. Did that form any part in the consideration of whether there should be a dual salary for a period? If not quite two full-time jobs, there is one plus an almost full-time job to take account of, so someone is effectively being required to hold down two jobs, but with a penalty to their salary. Was that part of the consideration in either coming up with the 372 days or just saying that the burden of multiple by-elections outweighs the benefit of looking at anything less than that?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

My other question is about what mechanisms will exist to monitor that. Councillors could resign their councillorship much earlier than that, so this is a sort of long stop. What will prevent multiple by-elections from occurring in around September of the year of a Holyrood election?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

What concerns me is that, in the public responses to the consultation, there is a very strong view that members should not hold two positions. There will be enormous pressure on new MSPs to immediately resign their council seats in order to give a full-time commitment to this job, and undertakings to do so will probably be extracted from them during the election period.

I understand why the SSIs have been articulated as an environment in which this change can happen. However, that has perhaps ignored a reality—I think more with councillors than with MPs, because that would be resolved and understood before the election—that multiple council by-elections could happen only months before the start of the campaign for the new council elections in 2027.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

Absolutely.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

Emma, do you want to come back? I am not sure that that actually answers your question.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

Edward, you wanted to come in—I do not know whether your question has been answered.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

Expenses were excluded from all of this—we have discussed that issue with regard to the House of Lords. We are looking specifically at salary, so the question about the implementation of expenses falls to be organised between IPSA and this Parliament’s corporate body. The question of expenses rests outside the purview of this Parliament anyway in relation to Westminster; it could be addressed only in relation to expenses in this Parliament.

Am I right to go back to the confirmation that you gave last time, that the corporate body is able to deal with this through our expenses system instead of by trying to pursue someone who is outwith our remit? Is that fair?

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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

Excellent. Ruth, is there anything else that you want to ask?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

So, you are seeking the authority through the SSI to amend or redefine the statement in the 1998 act that there needs to be “provision for the payment”?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 October 2025

Martin Whitfield

Sorry, I realise that it will not change the mechanism. What I am concerned about is the ambiguity in wording. One provision places a duty to pay and the other is, in effect, placing a duty not to pay, by deduction.