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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 24 December 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. My final question is, unfortunately, an incredibly specific one but, again, it is about something that I have had an interest in for a while.

The Deloitte audit report included a list of recommendations, which now sit in the public domain. One of them was:

“The Commissioner’s Office should engage with the SPCB and Parliament to determine the reporting route for concerns about a Commissioner”.

The management update on that is worrying in the sense that there is no revised target date because input seems to be required from the SPCB. Given that we are looking at the annual report for last year, can you bring the committee up to date on engagement with the SPCB, particularly on that point, with regard to the structures that you have already described?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

Do you have confidence that the complainer will not misunderstand the different processes that are involved? I will turn that round. Do you have confidence that your website will show the route that will apply to the complainer, depending on who they are complaining about, and what is needed for their complaint to be registered, investigated and concluded?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence: Proxy Voting Scheme

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is very helpful. I will obviously speak to Stuart McMillan, and, as a committee, we will write to him and suggest that we are anxious to hear his contribution when we look at the next stage of proxy voting.

10:56 Meeting continued in private until 11:30.  

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

For clarification, there are not 16 elements sitting at red on your risk register, are there?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

There are 16 elements in total.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

Do you envisage that, in that process, the reporting would be to the SPCB or to somewhere else? I know that that is a difficult question because you have not had a lot of discussion with the SPCB.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

It is right to say that, although the act itself was from very early on in the Parliament, it was a very—I will not say unique—unusual set of circumstances that led to it. Perhaps engagement at a later date about data and what can be deduced from it, the difference between complaints and cases, and the number of MSPs involved would be beneficial. I am grateful for your indication that you would be happy to have that engagement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. I can see the formal route that has been charted, but the reality is that all of this is based on relationships and confidence. Somebody who, to use a slightly archaic term, perceives that they have less power than the person whom they are concerned about and, indeed, less power than the person whom they are speaking to, needs to have strong relationships that allow them to raise issues. On a practical level, do you have confidence that such relationships exist, in the sense that someone could approach an individual and say, “Can I just have a word?”

You have spoken about the considerable change and increase in staffing. Such processes always present challenges in keeping the confidence or the identity, but they are also an opportunity to build the identity that you want.

Are you confident that the relationships are strong enough and exist for the process to work? Do you see the opportunity, with the changing personnel, to build an identity that you are happy with and that your staff are happy to be part of?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland

Meeting date: 9 March 2023

Martin Whitfield

—and, in due course, the communications strategy, which would also be useful.

I want to end with something that I did last time. In the final paragraph of your statement in the report, you rightly extend your gratitude

“to each and every one of the staff in the office for their unwavering dedication, their remarkable resilience”—

we have spoken about that today—

“and their support during this challenging period”

and say that you

“remain immensely proud to belong to this team.”

On behalf of the committee, I echo those words to you and your team. When we last discussed these matters, it was in an “exceptionally” challenging period, whereas we are now in just a challenging period. That does not mean that it is easy or that it is solved, but I thank you for your frank and honest evidence, and I thank Angela Glen for her assistance.