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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 September 2025
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Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Net Zero Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. Do members have any other comments? It seems not.

Given that we are talking about the procedures, it seems sensible, if we are to arrive at something, for us to know what wants to be arrived at. That would be helpful for the committee. Therefore, does the committee agree to the suggestion that we correspond formally with the Conveners Group—and, if necessary, the Scottish Government—to get access to all the correspondence? Does the committee also agree to write to the requisite committee to ask what its views and asks are?

Members indicated agreement.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

Agenda item 3 is consideration of correspondence that we have received from the Presiding Officer on a request to vary the proxy voting scheme—which, as we know, came in only this year but, as we have all seen, has been successfully used in the chamber on a number of occasions. Do members have any comments on that correspondence? Are we in agreement with the Presiding Officer’s proposal to vary the scheme?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. Bob, do you want to comment?

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

I will bring together some of the threads. We need to remember that we empowered the Presiding Officer to come up with the scheme so that it would work for her—well, not for the Presiding Officer but for the chamber. We empowered the Presiding Officer to have that flexibility, and rightly so. The scheme that has been created rests with the Presiding Officer, and the obligation on the Presiding Officer is to come back and consult with us, which speaks volumes about the evaluation of this pilot project.

I think that the committee always considered that it would be an iterative process. I certainly feel that the confidence that the chamber has shown in the Presiding Officer in creating the scheme should probably be echoed in the committee with regard to requests that she makes to us.

However, notwithstanding the request that has been made, that does not mean that we do not look at the consequences of the scheme. That relates to Bob Doris’s point with regard to starting to reach out to find out what the situation is more widely. It would be valuable to capture the experiences of those who have been offered and exercised proxies.

09:45  

As to how the Presiding Officer would make a determination on next of kin, you will recall the substantial evidence that we heard around people’s caring situations. Those are not necessarily defined by a family link; it might be a circumstance of fact. We entrusted the Presiding Officer with that.

As the PO is seeking clarification in the light of events, I would hope that we can support her proposed change. We can also use this exchange as the start of the evaluation process. We are in the second month of the proxy voting pilot and its use has certainly exceeded my expectations. I think that it would be useful to ask the clerks to start capturing the evidence of how the pilot is working, so that we can review it in due course.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

Again, that is incredibly helpful. If we are in—[Interruption.]

I am sorry, Bob—I cut across you.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. To deal with that second point first, my understanding is that the proxy scheme is operating as we thought it was going to operate. However, I note your concern about the actual wording of the voting scheme and I am more than happy to write to seek clarification. You will recall that we tried to frame it in such a way as to give the Presiding Officer the widest possible opportunity to reach the right decision on individual cases without having to seek medical advice or additional information. Therefore, I am more than happy to write to seek clarification.

Before we deal with your first point, in which you hinted that we should seek more information before reaching a decision, I will ask whether any other members want to come in.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

Yes, it is.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. Thank you.

Standards, Procedures and Public Appointments Committee

Correspondence (Proxy Voting Scheme)

Meeting date: 2 February 2023

Martin Whitfield

That is helpful. After Collette has contributed, I will come back to Bob.