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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2023-24

Meeting date: 10 January 2023

Carol Mochan

The convener asked some general questions at the start about the allocation of pay in the budget. I would like to drill down into nursing and social care pay.

At the committee on 15 November last year, Colin Poolman of the RCN said:

“Social care pay in the health service is, frankly, upsetting”.

He also said:

“It is no surprise that we have a crisis in the social care workforce as well as in the health workforce.”—[Official Report, Health, Social Care and Sport Committee, 15 November 2022; c 11.]

Responding to the cabinet secretary and the First Minister’s briefing yesterday, Mr Poolman said that the RCN’s

“previous warnings have not been listened to.”

He reiterated the point that fair pay is fundamental to the retention of the current workforce and to attracting a workforce for the future. For the sake of the NHS and social care, can the cabinet secretary afford not to listen to the serious and real concerns of nurses, given the number who are turning away from the profession? Does he think that nurses are being unreasonable?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Carol Mochan

What is the key barrier to that? All the evidence that we heard from the trade unions, professional organisations and some of the third sector is that that should be happening. I am unclear what the key barrier is that the Government is finding.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Carol Mochan

I start by saying that pausing the bill would not mean pausing some of the urgent changes that are needed in social care. We have plenty of evidence and quotes from professional organisations, trade unions and third sector organisations that say that we can do a lot now.

My question is on sectoral collective bargaining. Has the Government considered that or had any advice on it, and will you commit to talking to the trade unions now about it? Throughout the evidence sessions—you mentioned it yourself, minister—we have heard that we can sort out the pay, terms and conditions of social work staff, and that that would make the biggest possible difference to provision of the care and support that individuals need in their day-to-day lives.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Carol Mochan

I am particularly interested in fair work. We have heard clearly in evidence from people who have come to the committee that so much could be done now. Will you commit to looking at what has been achieved so far and push forward with that without having to rely on the bill?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Carol Mochan

My question is quite specific and is on an issue that was raised by Alison Kerr of the Royal College of Occupational Therapists, Fanchea Kelly of Blackwood Homes and Care, and Henry Simmons from Alzheimer Scotland. It is about the rights of people to have rehabilitation as part of the national care service. Those experienced people indicated that they thought that that should be in the bill. Will the minister commit to considering that?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Carol Mochan

It has been answered.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 December 2022

Carol Mochan

No—that is perfect. Thank you.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 13 December 2022

Carol Mochan

It is disappointing that the stuff that is in the Fair Work Convention’s 2019 report has not been progressed. I want to be clear about whether you are saying that we could do a lot of that stuff now—particularly in relation to pay for the social care workforce, who make a big difference—and then move on to the framework bill and so on.

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage1

Meeting date: 29 November 2022

Carol Mochan

I will take us back to an issue that was mentioned previously. I have done a lot of work with the allied health professions, which are very keen to talk about early intervention and prevention. Is that about a change in attitude and approach, or should there be something in the bill that would help that happen?

Health, Social Care and Sport Committee

National Care Service (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 November 2022

Carol Mochan

I have one small question about something that has been raised with us. Sometimes HIS charges fees for its inspections. I want to get a wee bit of understanding of where that comes from, and whether it would continue in the national care service.