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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
Craig Hoy
One of the benefits that were introduced despite the Covid pandemic was the child disability payment, which was rolled out nationally in November 2021, following a pilot in three local authority areas. Your report states that the pilot provided a limited opportunity to test aspects of the benefit and that data collection was still being developed during the pilot process. What were the risks of the Government launching the pilot without sufficient testing and how has that impacted data collection? Are you confident that the current data collection system are fit for purpose?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
Craig Hoy
Mr McLauchlan, you referred to the data cleansing exercise that is being undertaken and that will obviously include local authorities, too. That process will be vital to ensure that we have accurate and complete data. Is it possible to tell us more about what the process entails? Are there any risks in relation to the quality or the completeness of the data that we might get from different local authorities? Is it very dependent upon those processes within individual authorities?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 June 2022
Craig Hoy
Paragraph 52 on page 17 of the briefing states that you plan to
“Consider further analysis of business support funding information after the Scottish Government has completed its data cleansing exercise.”
Can you tell us more about that work and its timescales? Can you tell us what you do not know at this point in time or what you are hoping to achieve through the process?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Craig Hoy
It could be implied that politics were also at play in the nationalisation of the yard. At any point, did you suggest anything different that might have meant that the amount of money and the risk that taxpayers have now been exposed to could somehow have been shared? At any point, did you say, “Maybe there is wrong on both sides here. Let us sit down and arbitrate for a different solution here”?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Craig Hoy
Okay, thank you. You met with the First Minister at Bute house where you say you raised a red flag about the project. Was that another one of the meetings where the officials were asked to leave the room?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Craig Hoy
I come back to the flagrant disregard for the public purse. Do you think that the Government had taken the decision to nationalise and was not intent on proceeding with any proposal, even though it was in the better interests of the taxpayer? Was nationalisation the only objective at that point?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Craig Hoy
Okay. The First Minister says that, all the way through, the major consideration for awarding the contract to FMEL, particularly when it hit troubled times, was the preservation of jobs. Can you say, hand on heart, to this committee that, if the contract had not been awarded to FMEL, there would still be jobs and a thriving yard there?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Craig Hoy
And the Government said what?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Craig Hoy
I was going to turn to that because it strikes me that, alongside all the technical issues here, there has been a political dynamic to rush this at various points for different reasons. You said in your submission:
“There was clearly a great pressure on the timing of the announcement that it was going to FMEL and there was a high probability the pressure was also on CMAL to rush the invitation to tender.”
Has there been a political driving force throughout this as well, do you think?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 June 2022
Craig Hoy
Like Mr Beattie, I am concerned about the public purse and, post-nationalisation, things have become significantly worse. Was there an alternative route to getting the ships built?