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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 6 November 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Craig Hoy

Another risk involves devolved social security. Professor Ulph, when you were previously before the committee, you put to us quite interesting and alarming statistics about the refusal rates for adult disability payment being 16 per cent in England and 2 per cent in Scotland. When we put those numbers to the Scottish Government, it said that we were comparing apples and pears and that the difference was something to do with the fact that the benefit was recently devolved. Have you been able to interrogate that data further to show whether it results from a policy approach or the recent devolution of benefits?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Craig Hoy

I presume that the risk is that, if the Government does not meet its 0.5 per cent target, this is all compounding through the system, eventually, because there will be a larger civil service than the Government projected and potentially higher pay than it had included in its pay policy. That is the risk, is it not?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Craig Hoy

Can I interrupt for a second, minister? Paragraph 21 says:

“There are risks in this approach, in that we are setting a stretch target”—

that is, a very ambitious target—

“and cannot, at this time, fully set out to the Minister where the savings will come from. The key issue for this strategy is ensuring the Minister is content with the level of risk between what is fairly secure”—

it has not been tied down—

“and what is assumed to come through the commitments in the strategy.”

It is not a clearly set-out plan, is it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Craig Hoy

That is super—thank you very much.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Craig Hoy

Would it not be better, logically, to announce the £1 billion figure after you have had all those discussions and identified where the savings are to be made? To return to the initial point, the “headline-grabbing” announcement is not “rooted in realism”, is it?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Craig Hoy

Fine. I will move on from the subject in a couple of seconds, but first I note that one bullet point in the document—unfortunately, the Government’s commitment to transparency is such that it has been redacted in part—highlights to the minister that

“As you will be aware from your bilateral meetings, a number of Cabinet Secretaries have raised considerable concerns”.

What were those “considerable concerns” about announcing £1 billion in public sector efficiency savings?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Craig Hoy

I was going to ask about that.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Craig Hoy

That contingency should be built into the spending review. The Scottish Government should be aware that it is a potential real risk to its own financial settlement.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Scottish Government and Scottish Fiscal Commission (Publications)

Meeting date: 2 September 2025

Craig Hoy

We hope that the spending review will start to put down mitigations in respect of the risks that the MTFS identifies.

We have talked about public sector pay. Some of the major areas of public sector pay have already been set for two years, and they are at 7 per cent, which leaves less than 2 per cent. There is an inflation guarantee, but the policy does not account for pay progress or for grade inflation, which I think that we have seen in the civil service. Is that ringing an alarm bell quite loudly for you in respect of the long-term sustainability of Scotland’s public finances?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Public Administration in the Scottish Government

Meeting date: 24 June 2025

Craig Hoy

What does it tell you about the culture in the civil service that people are saying that it is an infringement of their human rights to ask them to go to work?