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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 2 August 2025
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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

Okay. Thank you.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

Good morning. The document makes reference to the savings that carers currently provide to Scotland. The estimate that the Scottish Government has come up with is £13.9 billion per year, which totals £14.3 billion when healthcare costs are taken into account. Where does that figure come from and what confidence do you have that that is the net saving at the moment?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

I go back to the role of the legal sector in relation to cost control, mission creep and so on. In his submission to us, Roger Mullin says:

“The unintended consequence of this is that individuals and legal firms, paid on the basis of their time involved in an inquiry, have no incentive to be as efficient as possible and indeed will get rewarded from the public purse by maximising their time involved.”

Based on your experience, Lord Hardie, is there a risk that, given that the whole mechanism has been built up and people are paid on a daily basis, there is some incentive for things to slide?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

What is it projected to be by the end of 2025-26?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Care Reform (Scotland) Bill: Financial Summary

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

I want to go back to a point that Michael Marra raised. Minister, you said that the costs of preparing for the national care service were £1.6 million in 2021-22 and £12.3 million in 2022-23. A written answer that I got from the Government on 1 October last year said that the total cost to that point was £28.7 million—that is, effectively, £30 million for a project that, in large part, is not going to happen. Can you provide the committee with an update today on what that figure stands at?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

My question is about cost control, Lord Hardie. You have set out your concerns that imposing cost controls or a timeframe threatens an inquiry’s independence. Setting that to one side, given that the funding comes from the public purse, what spending controls would be necessary to uphold public confidence while maintaining the independence of the chair? In practical terms, what could be done to control costs?

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Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

In his written evidence, John Sturrock KC suggested that

“some sort of oversight and support”

for public inquiries might be necessary. He continued:

“The balance between chair independence from external interference and value for public money is a delicate one.”

There is potential to have an oversight function. Could that be carried out by an independent organisation, such as Audit Scotland, or by somebody who is independent of Government but maintains reference to the public purse?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

In her submission, Dr Ireton states that one of the core elements of cost effectiveness is

“Transparent cost and timetable management”.

If you will forgive me for asking a question that relates to you personally, Lord Hardie, Transport Scotland was very resistant to the figure of the fee that you were paid for chairing your inquiry going into the public domain. Did it consult you on the issue, and do you think that that meets the requirement of transparent cost management that Dr Ireton mentioned? The matter should not have needed to be taken to the Scottish Information Commissioner before that information about money being used from the public purse entered the public domain.

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Public Inquiries (Cost-effectiveness)

Meeting date: 27 May 2025

Craig Hoy

Would that have been good enough reason not to have put that important information into the public domain?

Finance and Public Administration Committee [Draft]

Scottish Budget Process in Practice

Meeting date: 20 May 2025

Craig Hoy

On more recent issues, it emerged over the weekend that you want to get civil servants back into work. It was also, and somewhat regrettably, reported that, at present, you cannot quantify how many civil servants are seeking to watch Netflix or surfing pornography on their work devices because the number is so high. On the culture of the public sector reform programme, how ambitious will you be about getting civil servants back to work or about ensuring that they are more productive wherever they are working? There seems to be a gap in that the additional investment that you have put into the civil service has not been met by a commensurate increase in productivity, perhaps because civil servants are getting up to things that they should not be doing.